Reds to Deploy New Nuke

[Le Goat]

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia hopes to deploy a new nuclear missile next year designed to penetrate anti-missile defenses and will build eight submarines to carry it, defense officials said on Thursday.
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The latest statements underline Moscow's determination to upgrade its nuclear strike forces on land, sea and air. They are regarded by Russian commanders as the cornerstone of the country's defenses.
Colonel-General Vladimir Popovkin, head of armaments for the Russian armed forces, told the Defense Ministry newspaper "Red Star" that Russia's recent war with Georgia "compels us to rethink the current state of the armed forces and how they should develop further."
President Dmitry Medvedev and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin have both pledged to extend Russia's recent military build-up with extra funds to buy new, high-tech arms. On Wednesday, Putin announced an extra $3.1 billion of spending next year, partly to replace equipment lost in the Georgia war.
Despite the billions of dollars spent on them since Putin came to power as president in 2000, Russia's 1 million-strong armed forces remain poorly equipped, badly paid and reliant on a large proportion of unwilling conscripts.
The deputy commander in chief of the Russian navy, Admiral Alexander Tatarinov, said on Thursday that by 2015 Moscow would build a fleet of nuclear-powered submarines to carry a new, nuclear-capable strategic missile.
"The navy has gone over to building ships and nuclear submarines by the batch," Tatarinov told Interfax news agency.
"A new state armaments program includes a plan to build a batch of eight nuclear submarines that would be armed with new Bulava strategic missiles."
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Defense analysts based in Moscow say much of the extra spending has not reached the front line because of corruption or mismanagement and many weapons programs are running late.
One of these is the Bulava, a submarine-launched long-range nuclear missile which Putin says will be capable of penetrating any missile defenses -- a reference to Washington's plans for a new global system to shoot down hostile rockets.
The Bulava, a modified version of the land-based Topol-M, has had a checkered history with several test launch failures and is running at least two years late.
The navy pronounced the latest Bulava exercise on September 18 a success, saying the missile flew from the White Sea across Russia to the Far East.
Popovkin, who is also deputy defense minister, said he hoped the armed forces would accept the Bulava for service next year. Upgrading Russia's strategic nuclear forces remained a priority because they were the cornerstone of its defenses, he said.
"As long as we are a nuclear power, no hotheads will venture to attack our country," Popovkin said in the interview.
" ... We have already this year started fitting out strategic nuclear forces with the Topol-M missile," he added.
Russia also plans to modernize its nuclear-capable Tupolev TU-160 supersonic strategic bombers and to fully commission the first nuclear-powered submarine to carry the Bulava missile, he added.
The submarine, the Yuri Dolgoruky, was launched in February, six years after its original scheduled date, though it still lacks the missiles it was designed to carry.

[Okie Medicvet]

Looks like Cold War II is on. Let's hope it doesn't switch to World War III.

[Archangel]

Yeah, evil Russians.


Not like America introduced the JDAM and JSOW precision attack munitions, the SLAM-ER standoff missile, the AH-64D Longbow attack helicopter, the B-2 Spirit nuclear-capable strategic bomber, the F-22 Raptor air dominance fighter, the F-35 Lightning II and F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet fighter bombers, the SSN-21 Seawolf nuclear hunter killer submarine, and the nuclear-powered Nimitz-class supercarriers Harry S Truman, Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush, all AFTER the end of the Cold War.

But Russia develops one new strategic weapons system, and they're the evil warmongerers.

[Kerjack]

I was talking to my mom about the irony of how the ultimate weapon brought peace though 'mutually assured destruction' and how a defensive system is what seemingly kicked off the 'new cold war' by potentially upsetting the balance.

She says Russia is an enemy, I say they are allies. She says look what they are doing, I say their people are saying the same thing.

[}{arlequin]

it's prolly so that they can defend themselves against the pirates...

[Soup Nazi]

This is just a publicity stunt to promote Red Alert 3.

[Mr. Brown]

Did Palin's people wake up look over the water, into the future see this and call to warn everyone?

[Hanover Fist]

Does it really matter if Russia builds a new type of nuke? This missile had been designed and planned for deployment way back in 1998, it's not like it's earth shattering news or anything.
Even if Russia had nothing but old nukes, if it ever got to the point that they used one, the type of nuke wouldn't matter. Our missile shield wouldn't be able to defeat 3,000 warheads of even the most rudimentary design, and we would retaliate with thousands of our own weapons.
If Russia feels threatened by our missile shield than by all means she should spend 10's of billions developing and deploying a new missile. It's like Russia deciding to keep bombers in Cuba, so fucking what. If it ever got to the point that they were going to use them, they would be the least of our worries.

[billy1980]

Yeah, evil Russians.


Not like America introduced the JDAM and JSOW precision attack munitions, the SLAM-ER standoff missile, the AH-64D Longbow attack helicopter, the B-2 Spirit nuclear-capable strategic bomber, the F-22 Raptor air dominance fighter, the F-35 Lightning II and F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet fighter bombers, the SSN-21 Seawolf nuclear hunter killer submarine, and the nuclear-powered Nimitz-class supercarriers Harry S Truman, Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush, all AFTER the end of the Cold War.

But Russia develops one new strategic weapons system, and they're the evil warmongerers.

You are right we have all this shit and arent doing much with it.
Lets just take over Germany again ;)

[Genius]

Yeah, evil Russians.


Not like America introduced the JDAM and JSOW precision attack munitions, the SLAM-ER standoff missile, the AH-64D Longbow attack helicopter, the B-2 Spirit nuclear-capable strategic bomber, the F-22 Raptor air dominance fighter, the F-35 Lightning II and F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet fighter bombers, the SSN-21 Seawolf nuclear hunter killer submarine, and the nuclear-powered Nimitz-class supercarriers Harry S Truman, Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush, all AFTER the end of the Cold War.

But Russia develops one new strategic weapons system, and they're the evil warmongerers.
They are evil warmongers. So are we. It was better when that was a given. It's the denial that ruined everything.

[Pax Britannia]

Yeah, evil Russians.


Not like America introduced the JDAM and JSOW precision attack munitions, the SLAM-ER standoff missile, the AH-64D Longbow attack helicopter, the B-2 Spirit nuclear-capable strategic bomber, the F-22 Raptor air dominance fighter, the F-35 Lightning II and F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet fighter bombers, the SSN-21 Seawolf nuclear hunter killer submarine, and the nuclear-powered Nimitz-class supercarriers Harry S Truman, Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush, all AFTER the end of the Cold War.

But Russia develops one new strategic weapons system, and they're the evil warmongerers.

You jerries really are scared of the Russians arent ya? I know they control allot of your gas supply but you could grow a pair and take Nato's side every once and a while.

[Yelram]

You jerries really are scared of the Russians arent ya? I know they control allot of your gas supply but you could grow a pair and take Nato's side every once and a while.

The German propaganda machine must be working its way all the way up Arches ivory tower.

[Pax Britannia]

The German propaganda machine must be working its way all the way up Arches ivory tower.

Indeed. Ordinarily I would describe Arch as a hawk but whenever Russia is mentioned he cant wait to blame America for war mongering.

Russia wants a new cold war and elements in the West are more than willing to oblige. It's time to pick a side.

[mongo]

marge schott never would have let this happen. fucking reds.

[}{arlequin]

last 5 posts are total lulz

[Poop Sailboat]

http://www.lookatmeshirts.com/uploadedfiles/thumb/20080404022811_forget-thumb.gif

[taters]

Reds? They are capitalist. The USSR has been dead and gone for almost 20 years.

Raper is about as educated as Sarah Palin.

[Pax Britannia]

Red's are easier to hate.

Never let facts get in the way of a good story.

[Claydon]

Yeah, evil Russians.


Not like America introduced the JDAM and JSOW precision attack munitions, the SLAM-ER standoff missile, the AH-64D Longbow attack helicopter, the B-2 Spirit nuclear-capable strategic bomber, the F-22 Raptor air dominance fighter, the F-35 Lightning II and F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet fighter bombers, the SSN-21 Seawolf nuclear hunter killer submarine, and the nuclear-powered Nimitz-class supercarriers Harry S Truman, Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush, all AFTER the end of the Cold War.

But Russia develops one new strategic weapons system, and they're the evil warmongerers.

So they are deploying old shit...big deal. Nukes are so 1980s, let them move their shit around. Both countries still subscribe to the concept of MADD with regards to nuclear weapons, and besides, does Russia really want to incinerate her cash cow...ie western europe. I think not.

[Archangel]

You jerries really are scared of the Russians arent ya? I know they control allot of your gas supply but you could grow a pair and take Nato's side every once and a while.
I'm not scared of Russia. And I take Europe's side, which includes Russia, but not the one country that I actually am scared of. Did you hear that the CIA is financing the anti-EU opposition in Ireland?
Indeed. Ordinarily I would describe Arch as a hawk but whenever Russia is mentioned he cant wait to blame America for war mongering.

No, I'm just saying that a country that has developed two dozen weapons systems in the past 15 years accusing somebody who builds one of being a threat to peace is ridiculous and hypocritical.

Russia wants a new cold war and elements in the West are more than willing to oblige. It's time to pick a side.
There hasn't been a "West" since 2003. America is more than willing to fuck Europe over for her own short term gains, so we should stop sucking their dicks. Europe's future lies to the east, especially since America is on a downward spiral.

[Archangel]

The German propaganda machine must be working its way all the way up Arches ivory tower.

What German propaganda? This from someone who watches FOX News and cannot name a single German TV station or newspaper.

[fuldstændigamok]

Russia wants a new cold war and elements in the West are more than willing to oblige. It's time to pick a side.

Is there just 2 choices? Fuck both of them.

[Archangel]

Yeah, how about Europe doesn't get dragged into other guys' pissing contests, and picks a third side, namely its own?

There's a novel idea.

[Le Goat]

Yea that seemed to work well for yall in the past.

[Okie Medicvet]

Indeed. Ordinarily I would describe Arch as a hawk but whenever Russia is mentioned he cant wait to blame America for war mongering.

Russia wants a new cold war and elements in the West are more than willing to oblige. It's time to pick a side.


Pick a side? Like the real people that do all the living and loving and dying in the world want to have to pick a side, like it would matter, but it wouldn't. Fuck sticks and stones man, this world goes nuclear, we will all be glowing in the dark for thousands of years to come. Time to bend over and kiss it goodbye. I only hope to be in Negril when that day comes, so I can catch the last double sunset.

[Archangel]

Yea that seemed to work well for yall in the past.

In the past, America was a trusted ally and not governed by criminals and imbeciles.

[Pax Britannia]

Is there just 2 choices? Fuck both of them.

Yeah, how about Europe doesn't get dragged into other guys' pissing contests, and picks a third side, namely its own?

There's a novel idea.

You can go ahead and try and stay out of it. America will respect your neutrality.

Russia will just sense your weakness.

[MDiver01]

Yeah, evil Russians.


Not like America introduced the JDAM and JSOW precision attack munitions, the SLAM-ER standoff missile, the AH-64D Longbow attack helicopter, the B-2 Spirit nuclear-capable strategic bomber, the F-22 Raptor air dominance fighter, the F-35 Lightning II and F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet fighter bombers, the SSN-21 Seawolf nuclear hunter killer submarine, and the nuclear-powered Nimitz-class supercarriers Harry S Truman, Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush, all AFTER the end of the Cold War.

But Russia develops one new strategic weapons system, and they're the evil warmongerers.
none of those are new nuclear weapons. Yes they can carry nuclear weapons but we arent building new nukes that will pass through a defense system or maybe we are but just arent dumb enough to broadcast it.

[Tenpinger]

Wow... Those crafty Russians...

[Archangel]

none of those are new nuclear weapons. Yes they can carry nuclear weapons but we arent building new nukes that will pass through a defense system or maybe we are but just arent dumb enough to broadcast it.

And you built this defence system and installed it in Russia's fucking back yard because you wanted a strategic advantage. Now they negated it. Boo hoo.

[Claydon]

And you built this defence system and installed it in Russia's fucking back yard because you wanted a strategic advantage. Now they negated it. Boo hoo.

Arch, you are drinking way too much EU cum, the very nature of the Russian rocket forces negates the missile defense systems. This system can only handle a few warheads at most not 2000 MRVs showering western Europe.

[satandole666]

Arch, you are drinking way too much EU cum, the very nature of the Russian rocket forces negates the missile defense systems. This system can only handle a few warheads at most not 2000 MRVs showering western Europe.

I think everyone has lost sight of proper assumptions with this shit. If it comes to the point where two "civilized" nuclear powers decide it is in their best interest to start a nuclear holocaust a fucking missile defense system isn't the last of our concerns. There is no way in hell the system will be able to stop everything.

So all this shit doesn't matter. Now they can use five "smart" nukes instead of showering the everything with two thousand of them so 5-10 get through.

[Claydon]

I think everyone has lost sight of proper assumptions with this shit. If it comes to the point where two "civilized" nuclear powers decide it is in their best interest to start a nuclear holocaust a fucking missile defense system isn't the last of our concerns. There is no way in hell the system will be able to stop everything.

So all this shit doesn't matter. Now they can use five "smart" nukes instead of showering the everything with two thousand of them so 5-10 get through.


strategic nukes are so 1960s/80s.

tactical is where it is at.

[Archangel]

Lulz at Claydon talking macho again.

[Pax Britannia]

If a future nuclear war doesnt involve a desperate fight against the forces of Skynet in a devastated northern hemisphere i'm going to be very dissapointed.

[TylerDurden]

i could be mistaken, but didn't we (and by we i mean just about every nuclear-capable nation) sign a bill/treaty not too long ago that basically says everyone is reducing their stock piles of nukes?

iirc, the last count was that there wasn't enough nukes on the planet to kill everything just make a targeted country's day very unpleasant.

[Rover]

There hasn't been a "West" since 2003. America is more than willing to fuck Europe over for her own short term gains, so we should stop sucking their dicks. Europe's future lies to the east, especially since America is on a downward spiral.Yes, yes, the EU's future does indeed lie East. East, towards Turkey.

Good luck with that.

i could be mistaken, but didn't we (and by we i mean just about every nuclear-capable nation) sign a bill/treaty not too long ago that basically says everyone is reducing their stock piles of nukes?

iirc, the last count was that there wasn't enough nukes on the planet to kill everything just make a targeted country's day very unpleasant.

China: 100-200 warheads.
France: Approximately 350 strategic warheads.
Russia: 4,237 strategic warheads, approximately 2,000-3,000 operational tactical warheads, and approximately 8,000-10,000 stockpiled strategic and tactical warheads.
United Kingdom: Less than 160 deployed strategic warheads.
United States: 5,914 strategic warheads, approximately 1,000 operational tactical weapons, and approximately 3,000 reserve strategic and tactical warheads.
http://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Nuclearweaponswhohaswhat

I'll let you decide if that's enough to destroy the planet. I'd guess, yes, but I might be wrong.

[TylerDurden]

those are the numbers i recall seeing in 2004 when n. korea and iran were becoming the new hype. it was an msn article, but i believe it stated that technically that wasn't enough. but it is as i suspected:

In 2000, the five NWS committed themselves to an “unequivocal undertaking…to accomplish the total elimination of their nuclear arsenals.” But for now, the five continue to retain the bulk of their nuclear forces. Because of the secretive nature with which most governments treat information about their nuclear arsenals, the figures below are best estimates of each nuclear-weapon state’s nuclear holdings, including both strategic warheads and lower-yield devices referred to as tactical weapons
http://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Nuclearweaponswhohaswhat

[Axel]

Yes, yes, the EU's future does indeed lie East. East, towards Turkey.Dude... geography wasn’t ever your strongest point, right?

[Rover]

Uh, I, um...Is that a joke, I don't understand? Or are cardinal directions in Europe different? Turkey is East of the rest of the EU. I'd draw you a map, but I'm sure your geography knowledge is much stronger than mine.

[Le Goat]

Uh, I, um...Is that a joke, I don't understand? Or are cardinal directions in Europe different? Turkey is East of the rest of the EU. I'd draw you a map, but I'm sure your geography knowledge is much stronger than mine.

For a Union that pretty much unilaterally hates Turkey, you'd think they know where the fuck it was in relation.

[Rover]

For a Union that pretty much unilaterally hates Turkey, you'd think they know where the fuck it was in relation.I won't hate on them too much. For all I know, Axel's education system is as backwards as his compass.

[Yelram]

And you built this defence system and installed it in Russia's fucking back yard because you wanted a strategic advantage. Now they negated it. Boo hoo.

You've proven one thing to me, even a very intelligent person can be manipulated by the correct propaganda. I dont watch Fox News, I dont even get cable, I talk to people EVERY DAY, people who live in this country, not some spoiled little brat who has had everything given to him. I do listen to talk radio, from multiple sources. I get the ones from ohio that are so pro-union they make you want to puke, and I listen to Rush, and Glenn Beck, and others that are obviously very right slanted (and then I come on this little leftwing circle jerk every once in awhile too). I compose my opinions by what I actually feel and believe, not by what i've been spoonfed by the media. I seek out people with differing opinions purposely. If you seriously think you are safe with the Russians, you are a buffoon. And if you seriously think that the United States is the biggest risk for world safety in the coming years, you need to get your head checked. I appreciate you noticing the fleck in our eye, but trust me when I say the goiter in yours is big enough to see from across the sea.

[TylerDurden]

fuck. prepare for the second coming in 3... 2... 1...

[Archangel]

You've proven one thing to me, even a very intelligent person can be manipulated by the correct propaganda. I dont watch Fox News, I dont even get cable, I talk to people EVERY DAY, people who live in this country, not some spoiled little brat who has had everything given to him. I do listen to talk radio, from multiple sources. I get the ones from ohio that are so pro-union they make you want to puke, and I listen to Rush, and Glenn Beck, and others that are obviously very right slanted (and then I come on this little leftwing circle jerk every once in awhile too). I compose my opinions by what I actually feel and believe, not by what i've been spoonfed by the media. I seek out people with differing opinions purposely. If you seriously think you are safe with the Russians, you are a buffoon. And if you seriously think that the United States is the biggest risk for world safety in the coming years, you need to get your head checked. I appreciate you noticing the fleck in our eye, but trust me when I say the goiter in yours is big enough to see from across the sea.


Awwwww.


Just answer me one question.

What do you know about any non-American media?

[Archangel]

Oh, and me being a spoilt little brat that had everything given to him has got what, exactly, to do with my ability to formulate a political opinion? Except the fact that my father still gets briefing material from the foreign office, and has forgotten more about politics and international relations than you and I could learn in two lifetimes.

Last I checked, that criminal nincompoop in the White House whom you admire so much wasn't exactly from working class origins.

[TylerDurden]

i don't really intend on calling out the dubya hounds here, but to be honest our worth (both financially and otherwise) on this planet as a country has definitely plummeted during the past eight years. this used to be the country that people wanted to visit, admired, and found interesting. now, we're hated... just about everywhere.

from a strategic and tactical standpoint i fail to see what russia has to gain in spending billions of dollars that they (and technically any major economy in the world) don't have to spend unless they feel that the need is there. self-defense is a good need, i'd imagine, and what else to make someone feel nervous than parking an anti-missile defense system on the fence post of your back yard. that's the equivalent of running into your neighbors house, breaking down their guns and snapping off the blade of all of their knives... sure, you're protected from some phantom menace that no one else sees but you, and you've essentially slapped your neighbor in the face and said, "i don't really care if you get robbed tonight, so long as it doesn't affect me."

perhaps before we go jumping off into thinking that russia wants to puff up and flex their might we may want to consider there may be some reason for it... and *gasp* that it might have stemmed from our eight-year-old sense of self-entitlement and absolutely horrid foreign policy.

every friend we had we've pissed off, right along with every enemy. it's no fucking wonder the world is arming itself.

[Archangel]

So there is some sense left in America after all. Hats off to you, sir, I couldn't have said it any better myself.

[Pax Britannia]

every friend we had we've pissed off, right along with every enemy. it's no fucking wonder the world is arming itself.

I'm going to indulge my long dormant liberal side for a moment.

Given the decline of just about every form of manufacturing in Britain & America and it's relocation to China increasingly all we're left with is the military industrial complex.

Britain and America stand as the worlds first and second largest arms manufacturers. It's in our best interest to piss everyone off and generate more conventional military threats. It's hard to sell a £2 billion programme to build new aircraft carriers when your enemy lives in the caves of a land locked country.

[Archangel]

You could have tried building better cars.

[Pax Britannia]

Blowing shit up is more fun.

[Archangel]

Yeah, we tried that, too. Didn't work out too well for us, though.

[Pax Britannia]

Yeah, we tried that, too. Didn't work out too well for us, though.

Yeah I know. We were the ones blowing you up.

God it's good to be British.

[billy1980]

International polotics are just a big circle jerk these days.

[Axel]

Uh, I, um...Is that a joke, I don't understand? Or are cardinal directions in Europe different? Turkey is East of the rest of the EU. I'd draw you a map, but I'm sure your geography knowledge is much stronger than mine.I won't hate on them too much. For all I know, Axel's education system is as backwards as his compass.I don’t know what do you understand under geographic terms you talk about so casually, but Crete doesn't represent the geographic center of Europe, as much as Marmara region doesn't the center of Turkey.

Let me explain it to you in redneck terms: if Wasillia would turn into the geographic center of USA, than Canada would be East of your god blessed country.

All that you know isn't all that much, tard.

[Archangel]

To clarify, in Europe (at least the central part), when we talk about "east" we mean Russia; Turkey is always considered "south".


I mean, technically, Georgia (Savannah, not Tbilisi) is on the East Coast; but nobody thinks of them as easterners, do they?

[Claydon]

To clarify, in Europe (at least the central part), when we talk about "east" we mean Russia; Turkey is always considered "south".


I mean, technically, Georgia (Savannah, not Tbilisi) is on the East Coast; but nobody thinks of them as easterners, do they?

I just think of it as one of those states that should have been allowed to secede.

[Archangel]

Funny, seeing as how I don't even consider the Los Angeles metropolitan area to be a part of this galactic quadrant.

[Archangel]

Or, to use another example, geographically speaking, a large part of the Midwest is actually in the northeast.

[Archangel]

Yeah, but it's only our geographic definitions that are stupid and the result of poor education.


This coming from a country where children who can spell are awarded prices, and half the population couldn't find itself on a globe...

[Claydon]

Funny, seeing as how I don't even consider the Los Angeles metropolitan area to be a part of this galactic quadrant.

shit my german negro, Los Angeles is Dantooine as far as the world is concerned.

[Archangel]

shit my german negro, Los Angeles is Dantooine as far as the world is concerned.

At least Dantooine was first evacuated and then razed to the ground.

[Claydon]

At least Dantooine was first evacuated and then razed to the ground.

We have massive Earthquakes...does that count?

[Axel]

Wait a minute, Russia is in fact West of Wasillia?

[Mustard]

At least Dantooine was first evacuated and then razed to the ground.
Why am I reminded of Sodom and Gomorrah?

[Archangel]

Wait a minute, Russia is in fact West of Wasillia?

And - get this - the "Far East" is, as a matter of fact, to the WEST of California!

Amazing.

[Mustard]

We live on a sphere. Plausibly, everything is every direction away from where ever you are.

[Axel]

^^, ^ No wonder that Columbus messed it up.

[Mustard]

Yeah! that guy even got stripped of his sainthood, right?

[Axel]

How else could he ended up than a male stripper, being named after the capital of Ohio?

[Mustard]

I truly don't know.

[Rover]

I don’t know what do you understand under geographic terms you talk about so casually, but Crete doesn't represent the geographic center of Europe, as much as Marmara region doesn't the center of Turkey.

Let me explain it to you in redneck terms: if Wasillia would turn into the geographic center of USA, than Canada would be East of your god blessed country.

All that you know isn't all that much, tard.Christ, you're an ass.

To pharaphrase, here's where we are:
Arch: The EU's economic future lies to the east.
Rover: That's right. East towards Turkey.
Axel: OMG, you're such a moron!!111! Turkey is south of Europe.

Now, since you're so eager to parse words. Turkey is both east and south of Europe. Conveniently, a term called southeast has been developed to account for situations like this. In order to make a glib comment, I decided to remove 'south' from this description and make a comment that would contradict Arch's claim that the EU saw it's economic future in the East (which I assumed to mean Russia or China), and instead project that economic future to another country located east of Europe. And one that is also a candidate for membership to the EU. Based on this candidacy, one could conclude that the EU saw it's economic future in Turkey.

Great. Now we've fully analyzed all the syntax and context of my comment. Maybe now you can pull your head out of your ass. I understand you believe I'm an idiot, you've made it quite clear, but you could at least accept that not everything I say is a lie based on ignorance.

To clarify, in Europe (at least the central part), when we talk about "east" we mean Russia; Turkey is always considered "south".


I mean, technically, Georgia (Savannah, not Tbilisi) is on the East Coast; but nobody thinks of them as easterners, do they?Yes. But my comment was based on technicalities. Turkey is in fact East of the EU. Before Axel goes crazy, I will admit that, yes, there are some parts, like the Baltic states and Finland that are probably further East than some of the western most portions of Turkey. Does this make my joke fall apart? I guess, most jokes fall apart when you attribute literal meaning to them

Yeah, but it's only our geographic definitions that are stupid and the result of poor education.


This coming from a country where children who can spell are awarded prices, and half the population couldn't find itself on a globe...Haha, a joke about the lack of Americans with educations. It's stereotypical and not very creative, but instead of recognizing the glibness of this comment, I will start to deconstruct this statement and analyze the truthfulness and literalness.

[redsox39]

Yes. But my comment was based on technicalities. Turkey is in fact East of the EU. Before Axel goes crazy, I will admit that, yes, there are some parts, like the Baltic states and Finland that are probably further East than some of the western most portions of Turkey. Does this make my joke fall apart? I guess, most jokes fall apart when you attribute literal meaning to them

Haha, a joke about the lack of Americans with educations. It's stereotypical and not very creative, but instead of recognizing the glibness of this comment, I will start to deconstruct this statement and analyze the truthfulness and literalness.

Are you saying the chicken really DIDN'T Cross the road? then why the fuck are we even talking about the goddamn chicken!?!?

Christ, you're retarded!

[redsox39]

Haha, a joke about the lack of Americans with educations. It's stereotypical and not very creative, but instead of recognizing the glibness of this comment, I will start to deconstruct this statement and analyze the truthfulness and literalness.

You could also point out that I can spell and that I have never been awarded a "Price" before.

I heard Arch's mom is worth 14 euros though.

[Claydon]

You could also point out that I can spell and that I have never been awarded a "Price" before.

I heard Arch's mom is worth 14 euros though.

At the rate that the Euro is going, that will be about 10 cents.

[Le Goat]

MOSCOW (AFP) - Russia test-fired three long-range missiles on Sunday and pronounced its nuclear deterrent strong in a show of force that experts said had not been seen since the days of the Cold War.
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Two of the missiles were fired from nuclear submarines in the Asian and European extremes of the sprawling country while a third was watched by President Dmitry Medvedev on land in northwest Russia, news agencies reported.
It was the second Russian intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) test in as many days and the latest in a series of high-profile military exercises of conventional land, sea and air forces as well as strategic nuclear units.
"This shows that our deterrent is in order," Medvedev was quoted by RIA Novosti news agency as saying after Sunday's missile launches.
"We will of course be introducing new types of forces and means into the military," he added, without elaborating.
Independent military analyst Pavel Felgenhauer said the exercises reflected Russia's determination to prepare for major military conflict.
"This was a dry run for a war with the United States," Felgenhauer said of the missile launches, part of major military manoeuvres billed "Stability 2008" involving all military branches.
"These are the biggest strategic war games in more than 20 years. They are on a parallel with those held in the first half of the 1980s. Nothing of the sort has been seen either in Russia or the United States since then," he said.
Russian navy spokesman Igor Dygalo confirmed the near-simultaneous ICBM test-launches from submarines in the Sea of Okhotsk north of Japan and the Barents Sea northeast of Norway, saying they had been planned well in advance.
Speaking to AFP from northwest Russia, Dygalo admitted it was unusual for the navy to conduct three ICBM test launches in two days -- a submarine in the Barents Sea also fired a missile Saturday -- and called the tests successful.
"The missiles hit right on target," he said. News agencies said the missiles launched from the Barents Sea and the secret base at Plesetsk hit targets on the Kamchatka peninsula thousands of kilometres (miles) to the east.
The missile fired from the Sea of Okhotsk hit on target near Kanin Nos, a finger of land jutting into the White Sea in extreme northwest Russia, the reports said.
The Sineva missile launched Saturday -- an exercise also watched by Medvedev from aboard an aircraft carrier -- travelled more than 11,500 kilometres (7,145 miles) in what the Russian president claimed was an all-time distance record.
The missile tests came a day after Russia announced that a small naval flotilla led by the nuclear battlecruiser Pyotr Veliky (Peter the Great) had paid a call at the Libyan port of Tripoli.
The ships, including a submarine destroyer and support vessels, were to conduct exercises at unspecified locations in the Mediterrannean Sea before heading toward Venezuela for joint exercises there in November, officials said.
Two Russian Tupolev-162 strategic bombers -- each capable of carrying 12 cruise missiles armed with single 200-megaton nuclear warheads -- carried out exercises in Venezuela last month.
Last week, Japan scrambled a pair of US-made F-15 fighters to intercept and escort Russian bombers on patrol near, but not inside, Japanese territorial waters.
The Kremlin, alarmed and angered over new US missile defence plans in eastern Europe and the expansion of the US-led NATO alliance into countries once allied with Moscow, has stressed for a year that it will respond in kind.
Washington has shrugged off Russian moves over the past 18 months to resume strategic bomber patrols around the world and reactivate use of its navy to project power on the seas, questioning if the hardware was up to the task.

[jesuswasahippy]

IT IS 5 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
http://www.thebulletin.org/files/clock/5to.gif2007: The world stands at the brink of a second nuclear age. The United States and Russia remain ready to stage a nuclear attack within minutes, North Korea conducts a nuclear test, and many in the international community worry that Iran plans to acquire the Bomb. Climate change also presents a dire challenge to humanity. Damage to ecosystems is already taking place; flooding, destructive storms, increased drought, and polar ice melt are causing loss of life and property.

http://www.thebulletin.org/content/doomsday-clock/timeline


Another cold war?
I have been praying for a Red Dawn sequel.

[Le Goat]

Yet another great example of the Media loving a good drama to blow out of proportion. Russia is NOT the main enemy anymore and the world knows that.

[jesuswasahippy]

The way we treat foreign policy.
The Jewnited States of America, Is its own worst enemy.