OJ GUILTY.

[Okie Medicvet]

Take that, motherfucker, guess thirteen is your godamn murderin ass's unlucky number!!!!!!!

It's on cnn live, but I don't think it is hitting the website yet:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/02/oj.simpson.closings/index.html

[Mustard]

Well I never!

Wait a minute... I have no idea whats going on.

[Don Scrappy]

he going away for a while.

[Don Scrappy]

Well I never!

Wait a minute... I have no idea whats going on.

OJ is going to prison for realz this time

[The GWD]

About fuckin' time.

Also, Okie, post more shit about the story. Seriously.

[Soup Nazi]

Dammit! Now how is he supposed to continue his search for the "real killers"?!

[Okie Medicvet]

About fuckin' time.

Also, Okie, post more shit about the story. Seriously.


Okay, I'll googlez some, I'm watching this on tv, and hadn't been paying too much attention to looking into a more detailed updated version, and will rectify it asap.

EDIT: here's a starter: http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/04/oj-simpson-found-guilty/

[Archetype]

If property is taken from us, we don't go into rooms with guns and demand our property. That is robbery.

Huh?

"When they went into that room and forced the victims to the far side of the room, pulling out guns and yelling, 'Don't let anybody out of here,' that's kidnapping," the prosecutor argued.


Double huh?

[Mustard]

OJ is going to prison for realz this time
I always say that a person should maintain focus while murdering people.

[Pollo]

more info I can find:

LAS VEGAS (AP) — Jurors in the O.J. Simpson trial reached a verdict Friday after working into the night, deliberating the fate of the former football star and a co-defendant accused of robbing two sports memorabilia dealers at gunpoint in a casino hotel room.

"We have a verdict," said Michael Sommermeyer, spokesman for the Clark County District Court. He said it would be read after all the defendants, lawyers and prosecutors arrived at the court.

The jury reached a decision after deliberating for more than 13 hours.

Simpson, 61, and a golfing buddy, Clarence "C.J." Stewart, 54, each face five years to life in prison if convicted of kidnapping, or mandatory prison time if convicted of armed robbery. They've pleaded not guilty to 12 charges, including conspiracy, coercion and assault with a deadly weapon.

Deliberations began 13 years to the day after Simpson was acquitted of killing his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend, Ronald Goldman, in Los Angeles.

The jury sent one note to the judge around 3 p.m. with what the court spokesman called a "procedural question."

Judge Jackie Glass responded with instructions to look at documents they had already been given, Sommermeyer said.

The jury of nine women and three men heard 12 days of testimony, capped by prosecutors' arguments Thursday that the Las Vegas case had its roots in the 1994 slayings.

Prosecutors alleged Simpson planned — and Stewart helped carry out — a plot to retrieve personal items that Simpson lost after squirreling them away to avoid turning them over to Goldman's family to satisfy part of a $33.5 million civil wrongful death judgment levied in 1997 by a California court.

Four men who accompanied Simpson, Stewart and a middle man to the Palace Station casino hotel for the Sept. 13, 2007, confrontation later pleaded guilty and testified for the prosecution. Thomas Riccio, the man who arranged and secretly recorded the meeting, testified under immunity from prosecution.

Simpson's lawyer, Yale Galanter, told the jury the prosecution didn't prove Simpson was guilty in the criminal case that he said "has taken on a life of its own because of Mr. Simpson's involvement."

"Every cooperator, every person who had a gun, every person who had an ulterior motive, every person who signed a book deal, every person who got paid money — the police, the district attorney's office, is only interested in one thing: Mr. Simpson," Galanter said.

Stewart's lawyer, Brent Bryson, presented his client as the trial's forgotten man.

Since Sept. 15, the jury heard 22 often colorful witnesses — including seven of the nine people who were in the cramped hotel room. They listened to numerous replays of secret recordings made before, during and after the alleged robbery.

Neither Simpson nor Stewart testified, and jurors were instructed not to consider that when judging the case.

Glass kept a tight rein on the proceedings and rejected several mistrial motions. She read 41 legal instructions to the jurors and six alternates before the panel heard closing arguments.

[Okie Medicvet]

thanks. I'm still dancing, will get more details myself. yay! :D

[onenine]

damn, juice. i guess you're gettin' soft brotha. if you'd just've killed those boys in vegas, you'd be on the golf course right now, chillin' with a.c.
anyway, good luck juice. watch that ass...

...oh, and 'bout time there justice. fuck.

no, but seriously, that sucks dude.

[parad0x]

Too bad he can only get life. The chair would have been sweet justice.

[Pollo]

quite the irony 13 years ago today he was acquitted for murder ... glad this fucker is getting what he deserves.

[Okie Medicvet]

I think the jury deliberated something like 13 hours too, guess it just ain't his lucky number.:D

I'm glad for the Goldmans sake more than anything else, too.

[Archetype]

thanks. I'm still dancing, will get more details myself. yay! :D
Because someone's going to jail? Your priorities are fucked up.

[Okie Medicvet]

Because one murderin sombitch can't buy his way out of this one, yah, I'm stoked! I don't care who knows it or what anyone thinks about it either.

[Archetype]

Because one murderin sombitch can't buy his way out of this one, yah, I'm stoked! I don't care who knows it or what anyone thinks about it either.
And you get to decide whether he even fucking did it or not?

[Bastard]

I’m sure OJ can get another book deal out of this.

[The GWD]

If I did It part 2

Oh wait, I did do it.

[Okie Medicvet]

And you get to decide whether he even fucking did it or not?

Nope, but I can do the happy dance of joiy because he is found guilty on something long enough to at least put his ass in prison for some time...just like this:

*does happy happy joy dance*

[The GWD]

*does happy happy joy dance*

Okie, as your friend, I think it's my responsibility to kill you.

[Bastard]

If I did It part 2

Oh wait, I did do it.

Prison Bitch: where the name "the juice" takes on a whole new meaning

[Okie Medicvet]

I hope he becomes a poster child for goaste.

[zaphrodesiac]

I remember being in Best Buy when the news, over the intercom no less, that OJ was acquitted the first time was announced. There were "minorities" clapping in the store, like it was some kind of accomplishment.

[The GWD]

Getting away with murder is pretty impressive. They actually announced it over the intercom, though? WTF?

[zaphrodesiac]

I can't believe he managed to get away with murder, yet couldn't slime his way out of this shit. Whatever, he's gonna appeal, but I bet he's about broke.

[The GWD]

He didn't have Cochran this time!

This is Chewbacca. Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now why would an 8-foot tall wookie wanna live on a planet with a bunch of 3-foot tall Ewoks? Why, I tell you why: because it doesn't make sense, that's why. So when you go into that jury room, I want you to think about your answer, about Chewbacca. And ask yourself, 'Does my vote make sense?' Thank you, your honor.

[Okie Medicvet]

To some, it was, and yes I was disgusted, but it did prove that a black man could now 'buy' justice just like a white man, and maybe in that light, it was seen as progress. Me, I'm just glad a wife beater/killer gets behind bars.

[zaphrodesiac]

To some, it was, and yes I was disgusted, but it did prove that a black man could now 'buy' justice just like a white man, and maybe in that light, it was seen as progress. Me, I'm just glad a wife beater/killer gets behind bars.
I don't believe that at all. I see it as "California". Fucking Arnold is the Governor. What a joke.

[The GWD]

Fucking Arnold is the Governor.

Hey man, better than Gary Coleman.

[zaphrodesiac]

I think everyone knew that Mary Carey was the sensible choice.

[Pollo]

I think everyone knew that Mary Carey was the sensible choice.

Hey man, better than Gary Coleman.

and to think, the choices don't stop with those two: Larry Flynt, Arianna Huffington, Leo Gallagher, do I really need to continue? arguably a time I thought politics was just downright a joke, and well ... it still is.

[Daydreamer]

I feel sorry for his kids, but in today's world they'll probably hit the talk show circuit to make a few bucks off of the story.

[heelsguy]

imagine the brown family joy when they learned this! they must be relieved to know the fucker will be going to jail for at least SOME reason.

ha ha ha.

will there be rioting on the strip in Las Vegas?

[Claydon]

Clearly this is racism holding down a brutha.

[ElvisWong]

imagine the brown family joy when they learned this! they must be relieved to know the fucker will be going to jail for at least SOME reason.

ha ha ha.

will there be rioting on the strip in Las Vegas?

I think this fucker should be in jail since a long time!!! But he was a good football player and a poor actor.

[BIG PIZZLE]

I think he gets 15 years minimum.

[Archangel]

I remember being in Best Buy when the news, over the intercom no less, that OJ was acquitted the first time was announced. There were "minorities" clapping in the store, like it was some kind of accomplishment.
As the man said...
Black people too happy, white people too mad.
White people be like: "Man, this is bullshit"; I ain't seen white people that mad since they cancelled MASH...
Black people way too happy, Like: "Yeah, we won! We won, we won!"

WHAT THE FUCK did we win?? Every day i look in my mailbox for my OJ prize, and nothing!

[Morfin]

The fact that OJ gave the Government/Society a second shot at his ass is evidence that he is supremely stupid with uncontrollable rage.

The fact that OJ was found guilty and faces life in prison means that maybe, just maybe, there is such a thing as karma.

Rot in jail, motherfucker.

[dadaelus]

I can't believe he managed to get away with murder, yet couldn't slime his way out of this shit. Whatever, he's gonna appeal, but I bet he's about broke.

"Three men can keep a secret if two of them are dead." Witnesses are always a bad idea.

[taters]

Way for white folks (or at least some white folks of some white ethnicities) to go out of their way to finally find a way to convict this guy. If only all groups in America had the same vindictive spirit...Or at least the power in society to implement 'vengeance' for their (felt) injustices.

In other news, who really cares about OJ? Very old news.

[Morfin]

Way for white folks (or at least some white folks of some white ethnicities) to go out of their way to finally find a way to convict this guy. If only all groups in America had the same vindictive spirit...Or at least the power in society to implement 'vengeance' for their (felt) injustices.

In other news, who really cares about OJ? Very old news.

WTF? White Folks? How about Nevada? What ax did they have to grind against OJ. "Finally find a way to convict this guy?" Yeah, we (remember, white folk did this to him) made up this whole thing. Blew it out of proportion. Simple misunderstanding, that's all it was. Right. Nevermind, the fact that OJ planned an armed robbery and held people at gunpoint. Goddamn white folk. Yep, we went right out of our way to get him.

You know, you are partly right because I am happy he was finally convicted of a crime, and I believe he got away with murder the first time. Vindictive? Yeah, to people who get away with murder. And if Robert Blake is fool enough to pull another serious crime for which he is convicted, I will be just as happy as with OJ.

[Bill Paxton]

THIS IS A FRAME UP!

THE WHITE MAN IS TRYING TO KEEP OJ DOWN!

FREE THE JUICE!

[ElvisWong]

THIS IS A FRAME UP!

THE WHITE MAN IS TRYING TO KEEP OJ DOWN!

FREE THE JUICE!

Ridiculous....O.J. is dirty man...He's in jail for a long time.

[Pollo]

Ridiculous....O.J. is dirty man...He's in jail for a long time.

good to see you understand sarcasm well.

[Archetype]

The fact that OJ gave the Government/Society a second shot at his ass is evidence that he is supremely stupid with uncontrollable rage.

13 years does not constitute uncontrollable rage. Unless you know something I don't.

[vasili denisov]

At last, those who sell sporting merchandise can do so without fear of violent death.

[Bizz]

WHAT THE FUCK?!

http://www.getjuiced.com/

[SilverBullet]

Him getting 10-15 years thats being rumored is bogus. Thats about one electric chair too short.

[Rumpleforeskin]

Am I the only one that finds the ruling to be fucked up? (I'm guessing yes). OJ is obviously a murdering douchebag, that's a given. However, if he was substituted by some unknown, regular guy in this case, the whole investigation would be different, if even investigated. A few convicted felons with guns accompany OJ (an idiot) to get some sort of sports memorabilia back. Said felons are given immunity in order to convict OJ. Investigators are recorded as saying, "we've got him now". Again, OJ is a pompous, stupid ass guy who really deserves to be in jail. But people were obviously out to get him. I guess I'm just not happy with how the legal system worked in this place. Then again, I wasn't happy when he was able to pay his way off. Ok, back to masturbating.

[taters]

You know, you are partly right because I am happy he was finally convicted of a crime, and I believe he got away with murder the first time. Vindictive? Yeah, to people who get away with murder. And if Robert Blake is fool enough to pull another serious crime for which he is convicted, I will be just as happy as with OJ.

As I said, vindictive. Well, just let me know when it comes down to finally getting all those southerners who got away with lynchings and murdered hundreds (thousands over time) in the south during and before the civil rights period (yes, they are still alive, it was only 30-40 years ago). Lets not also forget the members of the LAPD, the NYPD, etc etc etc for all the 'warning shots' to the heads of victims, and the 'insensitive' forced sodomy. Hey, if were going to hold it against people when the justice system lets them off, lets do it with nonwhites and whites.

As the late george carlin said on the subject "Its a crazy idea, but it might be just crazy enough to work. It certainly hasnt been tried yet."

[Archetype]

Him getting 10-15 years thats being rumored is bogus. Thats about one electric chair too short.
Fuck you.

[Snatch]

So, it's bad that they found a way to finally get a murderer in jail?

It's like if a mobster gets away with, and they get him on some other charge, and lock him away for as long as possible, do you cry for them?

Are you sitting at home, watching the wire, and saying to yourself, FUCK YOU MCNULTY!

[Archetype]

Who're you talking to?

[taters]

^ If the law is something that can be bent to work against itself whenever needed, the law is worthless.

Isnt there a constitutional amendment that prevents being tried twice for the same crime (even when charged separatly)? Hmm

[Archetype]

It's called double jeopardy.

[Mustard]

Isn't that where the value for the questions increase by a factor of two?

[Don Scrappy]

Link to the video of the jury ruling.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f06_1223102957

I'm no psych major, but it seems to me that he was not surprised at all by the ruling.

[Archangel]

good to see you understand sarcasm well.

About as well as intelligent discourse and English.

[Archetype]

I'm no psych major, but it seems to me that he was not surprised at all by the ruling.

And?

[ElvisWong]

About as well as intelligent discourse and English.

Fuck you !!!

[Daydreamer]

Well, that was intelligent.

[Insomniac]

As I said, vindictive. Well, just let me know when it comes down to finally getting all those southerners who got away with lynchings and murdered hundreds (thousands over time) in the south during and before the civil rights period (yes, they are still alive, it was only 30-40 years ago). Lets not also forget the members of the LAPD, the NYPD, etc etc etc for all the 'warning shots' to the heads of victims, and the 'insensitive' forced sodomy. Hey, if were going to hold it against people when the justice system lets them off, lets do it with nonwhites and whites.

As the late george carlin said on the subject "Its a crazy idea, but it might be just crazy enough to work. It certainly hasnt been tried yet."

Oh hey, it's that guy.

[Snatch]

I don't get it, is it bad that Al Capone got put away for Tax Evasion?

Yes, they treated it differently than if it were you and me, but that's good.

I hope it was vindictive. I hope they did go out of their way to put together as airtight of a demolishing case as possible. I don't care what color he is, he tried to cut a bitch's head off.

Fuck OJ.

[Snatch]

Oh, and what put a bigger wedge between whites and blacks in the last fifteen years than the african american reaction to the original OJ verdict?

[nuclearjew]

Chris Rock on OJ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdv0q6FHPZg)

There are some classic comments on this video.

[Snatch]

Chris Rock on OJ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdv0q6FHPZg)

There are some classic comments on this video.

Besides the fact that he ignores the wifebeating... It's still funny, and he's right in a way.

Even if he understands, you still have to deal with the consequences.

[Le Goat]

bout time we put this ****** away!

[nuclearjew]

Besides the fact that he ignores the wifebeating... It's still funny, and he's right in a way.

Even if he understands, you still have to deal with the consequences.
I meant the user comments below the video. There are a lot of KKK members on the internet!

[Le Goat]

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/chknfaqr/301ecc29.gif

Hey hey there ******, nice to see you again. I refuse to read your arch-esque rants so I went ahead and replaced it all with what I'm sure is your reaction to all this.

[Snatch]

I meant the user comments below the video. There are a lot of KKK members on the internet!

Ha, on the internet everyone can say their darkest shit with no fear of reprisal.

[ElvisWong]

Ha, on the internet everyone can say their darkest shit with no fear of reprisal.

Good analysis.

[Morfin]

As I said, vindictive. Well, just let me know when it comes down to finally getting all those southerners who got away with lynchings and murdered hundreds (thousands over time) in the south during and before the civil rights period (yes, they are still alive, it was only 30-40 years ago). Lets not also forget the members of the LAPD, the NYPD, etc etc etc for all the 'warning shots' to the heads of victims, and the 'insensitive' forced sodomy. Hey, if were going to hold it against people when the justice system lets them off, lets do it with nonwhites and whites.

Soooo, let's see if I follow this logic. Because a bunch of racists crackers and racist cops got away with a lot of bad things, we should "credit" the blacks with a bunch of "not guilties."

I'm not even going to dignify the ignorance of your argument that past wrongs can be righted by letting a guilty man go free. And if you want to carry a hate for all white people because of people in the south or because some cops abuse their power, you go right ahead. You cheer for OJ. You go ahead and cheer for him killing two white people and getting away with it.

I pity you.

[Genius]

OJ is by far more representative of white people than he is black people.

[Poop Sailboat]

so does this mean nordberg won't be in naked gun 44 4/4ths?

[BIG PIZZLE]

Finally Ron goldman has to shut the fuck up because he and his family have nothing to bitch about.

[UNC]

Hope his prison has a golf course.

I'm sure he will be in a country club

[taters]

Oh, and what put a bigger wedge between whites and blacks in the last fifteen years than the african american reaction to the original OJ verdict?

Rodney King beating and white reaction to it. Amadou Diallo murder and whites reaction to it. The Abner Louima cop-sodomy trial and whites reaction to that. Katrina and whites reaction to that. etc etc etc

I hope you asked that question sarcastically.

[Snatch]

Rodney King beating and white reaction to it. Amadou Diallo murder and whites reaction to it. The Abner Louima cop-sodomy trial and whites reaction to that. Katrina and whites reaction to that. etc etc etc

I hope you asked that question sarcastically.

Yes, Rodney King was in the last 15 years. Idiot.
Yes, white people CHEERED that. There isn't songs and huge outcry from all communities about that. Idiot.
Yes, whites were SO happy about Katrina. Last time I checked, blacks and whites fucked that up. It's called the government. Idiot.

Basically, after Rodney King, african americans showed that their opinion of the justice system was the following, "we don't like the verdict, we'll riot." I understand that African Americans feel like they were the victims of a fucked up system. They think it's a race issue, and not a class issue.

How about the Duke Lacrosse case? How was that handled?

If you were white, and you spoke the way that you did, but about blacks, people would think you were a Klan member. You are more racist than Goat. You really shouldn't even be allowed to post.

[Snatch]

I'm going to explain something very clearly.
OJ Simpson (1995) was rich, he got away with murder. OJ Simpson (now) isn't rich, he can't get away with shit.

What does that teach us? If you're wealthy, you can get away with shit. If you're poor, you can't get away with shit. Color isn't the issue.

You think that poor whites don't get fucked by the system constantly? You think that affluent african americans don't get away with shit constantly. Ask Kobe and Ray Lewis, how are they doing?

Look at Jason Williams, rich black man, using the race card to get away with murder.

Is Obama being discriminated against? No? Maybe it's because he's a rich protestant.

[Tar Heel]

Yes, Rodney King was in the last 15 years. Idiot.
Yes, white people CHEERED that. There isn't songs and huge outcry from all communities about that. Idiot.
Yes, whites were SO happy about Katrina. Last time I checked, blacks and whites fucked that up. It's called the government. Idiot.

Basically, after Rodney King, african americans showed that their opinion of the justice system was the following, "we don't like the verdict, we'll riot." I understand that African Americans feel like they were the victims of a fucked up system. They think it's a race issue, and not a class issue.

How about the Duke Lacrosse case? How was that handled?

If you were white, and you spoke the way that you did, but about blacks, people would think you were a Klan member. You are more racist than Goat. You really shouldn't even be allowed to post.

HAHAHAHA!!!! You should have seen what kind of racially biased crap tater posted in the Duke LAX thread.

[taters]

Yes, Rodney King was in the last 15 years. Idiot.

Fair enough.

Yes, white people CHEERED that. There isn't songs and huge outcry from all communities about that. Idiot.

Seem to recall a number of conservative pundits and commentators and politicians (Il Douche Ghouliani himself included) who cheered. Dont make me bring quotes. Asshole.

Yes, whites were SO happy about Katrina. Last time I checked, blacks and whites fucked that up. It's called the government. Idiot.

Yea, but blacks suffered the brunt of it while whites were rescued. Blacks were forcibly kept from entering white areas that werent flooded, were called looters, and blamed for their governments lack of concern for their lives. Whites received massive insurance claims and regular visits and support from the administration. Either you are a complete moron, or youve lived in a cave for the past few years. Neither would surprise me.


I understand that African Americans feel like they were the victims of a fucked up system.

'Feel like'? Apparently what I just mentioned went right over your head. Statistics, history and even the words of several perpetrators themselves actively prove black people ARE the victims of the system. Granted, not the ONLY victims, but among the first and most easily provable. You can argue the victim, you can argue the statistics, you can argue first person claims, but you cant argue all three without looking like a moron.


Truth is truth. You cant hide from it. You can only spin it so far. The only person you (and other conservatives in this country) fool with your BS 'everything is ok here in america!' or 'whites are the real victims in american society' crap is yourselves, because no one else buys it.

[Tar Heel]

Yea, but blacks suffered the brunt of it while whites were rescued. Blacks were forcibly kept from entering white areas that werent flooded, were called looters, and blamed for their governments lack of concern for their lives. Whites received massive insurance claims and regular visits and support from the administration. Either you are a complete moron, or youve lived in a cave for the past few years. Neither would surprise me.

As with almost all of Tater's posts, he should substitute the word "Rich" for white, and poor for "black". I'm not saying that all whites are rich and all blacks are poor. That is what tater tries to do in every post. He tries to make civil rights issues into race issues. Black people in nice neighborhoods with homeowners insurance got treated just as nice as whites in the same income bracket/neighborhood. Poor white people from the ghetto with no homeowners ins got no insurance money just like everyone else. I agree that poor people got screwed over, but it had nothing to do with race.

[Pox]

Black people of the Tater variety are so fucking dumb when it comes to OJ. All it proved was that rich, famous people can stay out of jail. Sorry, you're still poor and powerless, and still missing the fucking point.

[Pox]

As with almost all of Tater's posts, he should substitute the word "Rich" for white, and poor for "black". I'm not saying that all whites are rich and all blacks are poor. That is what tater tries to do in every post. He tries to make civil rights issues into race issues. Black people in nice neighborhoods with homeowners insurance got treated just as nice as whites in the same income bracket/neighborhood. Poor white people from the ghetto with no homeowners ins got no insurance money just like everyone else. I agree that poor people got screwed over, but it had nothing to do with race.
QFT.

Race isn't the issue any more. Class is. They just happen to be related.

[Pax Britannia]

Black people of the Tater variety are so fucking dumb when it comes to OJ. All it proved was that rich, famous people can stay out of jail. Sorry, you're still poor and powerless, and still missing the fucking point.

It's easier for them to blame a corrupt system than to address the problems in their own lives.

[taters]

Black people of the Tater variety are so fucking dumb when it comes to OJ. All it proved was that rich, famous people can stay out of jail. Sorry, you're still poor and powerless, and still missing the fucking point.

Yes, we college educated, professional, white collar, middle class, historically savvy blacks are so 'dumb'. You high schooled, geographically illiterate (according to statistics, almost half of you are) whites are so much smarter than us. Oh Lordy Lordy!

[Tar Heel]

I believe that to be a cultural problem at this point. What can you do as a government if you give one culture more chances than the rest of the cultures and they still can't take advantage of it. At the most basic level of the african american culture of this country there is a problem and the fix isn't hand-outs or affirmative action. The answer starts within the culture that is holding itself down. Rappers and athletes should not be the biggest role models. Rims and guns should not be glorified and acceptibly hyped within the culture. Fathers aren't socially shunned for not taking responsibility for their children. Not cooperationg with athorities is encouraged within the poor demographic of the culture. Many of the people that go to college and get educated are called sellouts and speaking the english language with correct grammer is considered talking white. Stop blaming other people and bring yourselves up. It's the only way shit is truely going to change. I do not believe black people are inferior or anything like that. I just think that they have a serious problem within their own culture that no one on the outside can do much to fix.

[Pox]

Yes, we college educated, professional, white collar, middle class, historically savvy blacks are so 'dumb'. You high schooled, geographically illiterate (according to statistics, almost half of you are) whites are so much smarter than us. Oh Lordy Lordy!

Yea, because educational statistics really prove how awesome American black people are doing.

You don't get it. The OJ trial wasn't anything close to a victory for black people. It was a victory for a rich guy with a bunch of high priced attornys.

When you consider that most black people in the US ARENT rich....

[taters]

Tarheel

You argue that the problems are an issue of class and income not race, correct? While I disagree with you, lets run with your hypothesis. Lower class/lower income people are treated worst in society, correct? Check these statistics-

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/nationworld/stories/111207dnnatincome.36ce9af.html

he reports found that grown black children were just as likely as whites to have higher incomes than their parents. However, incomes among whites increased more than those of their black counterparts.

The result: In 2004, a typical black family had an income that was only 58 percent of a typical white family's. In 1974, median black incomes were 63 percent those of whites.

Middle-income black families also do not appear to be passing on higher incomes to their children in the same way that white families do, Ms. Isaacs said.

http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Race-and-money.html
While there was once a large gap between white and black high school completion rates, it has now almost disappeared, and the gap in reading and math proficiency scores has narrowed lots. There is still a gap between white and black college attendance mainly because of reduced financial support but since well under half of today's young whites even enter college, and only one in five adults has a college degree, that disparity doesn't affect most workers. Were incomes as closely tied to education as we're told, black incomes should have gained on whites, but they haven't.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/bythenumbers/2005-03-28-income-education_x.htm


A white male with a college diploma earns far more than any similarly educated man or woman — in excess of $66,000 a year, according to the Census Bureau. Among men with bachelor's degrees, Asians earned more than $52,000 a year, Hispanics earned $49,000 and blacks earned more than $45,000.


This totally destroys you 'class' based argument, because african americans (and hispanics) with equal amounts of education make less than whites. Even when education is factored (pox), whites make more doing the same jobs as others on average. In other words, whites can be rich, or middle or poor, as can anyone else, but even when judging for who makes what, whites (white men...you guys) make more than anyone else on average.

Where does this correlate with treatment in the courts?

http://www.aecf.org/upload/publicationfiles/fact_sheet13.pdf
Statutory biases. The fairness of drug laws that equate the possessionof 5 grams of crack cocaine with the possession of 500 grams ofpowder cocaine has been questioned by the U.S. SentencingCommission, because they produce lengthy incarceration for streetlevel sellers and other “low culpability” offenders. 7 Further, federal bans on access to public assistance apply to no other offenses beyonddrug-related crimes. Additionally, “three-strikes” laws are being used disproportionately against minorities, with African Americans 12times more likely than Whites to get these sentences, even though2/3 of both groups are non-violent offender

http://urj.org/Articles/index.cfm?id=7203


http://www.cga.ct.gov/2005/rpt/2005-R-0215.htm

http://www.capitalpunishmentincontext.org/issues/race
The effects of race are not uniform across the spectrum of homicide cases. In the least aggravated cases, almost no defendants are sentenced to death; in the most aggravated cases, a high percentage of defendants are sentenced to death regardless of their race or their victim's; it is in the mid-range of cases which, as it happens, includes cases like McCleskey's that race has its greatest influence. In these mid-range cases, death sentences are imposed on 34% of the killers of white victims and 14% of the killers of black victims. In other words, twenty out of every thirty-four defendants sentenced to die for killing a white victim would not have received a death sentence if their victims had been black.
So you see, even when income/class is considered, race plays a factor, in that no matter WHAT your income level is, statistically blacks (and hispanics) will receive harsher treatment, and whites will recieve favorable treatment (not in every case, but on average) in the criminal justice system.

This is just the smallest tip of studies done on the topic. Ive posted others in the old GMF forum, but I imagine they were lost with the rest of the forum. You dont have to be a criminal justice major or law student (both of which Ive done) to know this. Hell, if you talk to 50% of judges, cops (maybe 25% of them), prosecutors and defenders, they will tell you it straight up. Run with your opinions on the subject all you want, but remember, they are nothing more than your opinions. People who work within the system, and people who are educated in or get their living studying it say otherwise.

[billysocal]

Yea, but many of the blacks chose to suffer the brunt of it while whites were rescued. Blacks were forcibly kept from entering white areas that werent flooded, were actually looting as shown on videotape, and correctly blamed for their governments lack of concern for their lives.



Fixed. Now proceed with your Tater-bashing. I can't believe he's back. I might actually have to start posting regularly again.

[Tar Heel]

Tater is really twisting/stretching the meaning of those statisitics.

[taters]

Fixed. Now proceed with your Tater-bashing. I can't believe he's back. I might actually have to start posting regularly again.

Oh Billy, glad to see you too. Hows the...heh, um...firm out there in Cali? Doing well, I presume?

[billysocal]

Oh Billy, glad to see you too. Hows the...heh, um...firm out there in Cali? Doing well, I presume?

Doing quite well, thank you. Made the NY Times a few weeks ago. Should be good fodder for you since it has to do with the evil banking industry.

[Snatch]

Tater, the specificity of all of those "statistics" leaves "lots" (using something supposedly academic that includes the word lots doesn't help) to be desired.

Show me blacks and whites that graduated from the same schools and how they're doing. I think that would give a clearer idea.

Also, with the complete and utter TERROR that white america feels in regards to offending blacks is what I think is more prevalent. Now people pander to an angry minority. Look at Rodney King. "We don't like the result, we'll riot."

You think that rural, poor, trailer trash white people have any advantages over anyone? Have you ever been to Maine? All they do is drugs and suicide. They don't have the advantage of affirmative action to help them get a foot up. All they have is the hatred of society, because they're "rednecks." I bet you don't feel bad for them, because people of their same color once bought slaves from people of your color.

[taters]

Tater, the specificity of all of those "statistics" leaves "lots" (using something supposedly academic that includes the word lots doesn't help) to be desired.

Examples?

Show me blacks and whites that graduated from the same schools and how they're doing. I think that would give a clearer idea.

Colleges? They are not segregated, and most blacks go to majority white schools. This would change nothing.

Also, with the complete and utter TERROR that white america feels in regards to offending blacks is what I think is more prevalent.

Yes, if by 'offending blacks' you mean 'any black person in the presence of whites at the time'.


You think that rural, poor, trailer trash white people have any advantages over anyone?
Yea. Statistically, they do over blacks (on average, not all the time)

Have you ever been to Maine? All they do is drugs and suicide. They don't have the advantage of affirmative action to help them get a foot up.

They dont need affirmative action. Their white. Whites hire whites when placed on equal or even slightly lesser footing as blacks (or simply choose not to take mitigating factors into account). OF course this is on average. I havent been to maine, but it sounds like a kickass place. But seriously, I have been to rural eastern texas, idaho, wyoming, oregon, louisiana, florida, and seen among the worst those states have to offer. It doesnt make things better for the whites, but doesnt change their statistical (NOT unilateral) advantage over blacks (and hispanics...you guys are forgetting hispanics altogether).

[Snatch]

In several cases, studies group hispanics with whites.

[Tar Heel]

I do agree with tater about the criminal justice system being racially biased though. If you look at all the facts on that, It's hard to disagree there.

[Parliament]

This whole OJ thing is a set-up. They told Obama
"yeah you can run for president but your people have to give us something"
"Ooooooooooooh how about we give you O.J?!?!?!?!"
"Cool, that's a deal"
"But we want Ocho Cinco to be able to talk shit again"
"O.K, as long as Biggie and Tupac do not put out any more albums"\
"DEAL"

[nuclearjew]

Oh, and what put a bigger wedge between whites and blacks in the last fifteen years than the african american reaction to the original OJ verdict?
When Peyton Manning got passed over for the Heisman by Charles Woodson. Vol fans were gonna riot and knock over the World's Fair sunsphere.