You don't know any more than I do.

[The Batman]

You don't know any more than I do. I am not talking about small facts about places or things. I am talking about when it comes to life, the after life, and our place in the universe. The only thing people know is either things that their experience has told them was true or facts told to you by other people. So when it comes to religion and the existence of a God, you don’t know that there is one, much you don’t know if there isn’t one. Anyone disagree?

(Feel free to take this conversation to any subject, because I think this is a pretty absolute argument to a lot of things.)

[Pax Britannia]

You don't know any more than I do.

Arch is gonna have a stroke when he reads this.

[Tar Heel]

I disagree. I can tell from the retardedness of this thread that I know more than you.

[Archangel]

I know a hell of a lot more than most of you fuckers.



That said, "knowledge" has always to be looked at differentiatedly.

With empirical subjects, knowledge is usually a clear-cut thing. You know a fact, or at least something considered fact by the majority. It gets a little bit muddled when it comes to things that cannot be proven 100%, but even there, you can be aware of the principal theories.

But again, people fall into the trap of applying empirical criteria to non-empirical subject matters. There's a reason it's called "faith" or "belief" and not "knowledge". Any human construct is based on thought alone - you cannot, say, scientifically prove that men are created equal, or that liberty is a high good, or that loving your fellow man is right and just. All of this is purely theoretical, which means that in these fields, "knowledge" means that you are aware of what's out there, and know how smart people thought about these things. Jurisprudence basically works this way, since most all law is based on theoretical norms.

It shocks me how the criteria of intelligence these days only seem to include things that can be observed - something that you don't need a human being for - and not those things that require human thought. By looking at knowledge like the original post does, you could conceivably say that any elementary school science teacher is "smarter" than, say, Aristotle. Which is manifest nonsense.

[Pax Britannia]

These days everyone knows everything. The media in its attempt to pander to everyone makes out that people who are 'street smart' are on the par with college professors in terms on knowledge.

[Archangel]

Experience has taught me that college professors, in the main, aren't all that knowledgeable or smart.

[Pax Britannia]

Experience has taught me that college professors, in the main, aren't all that knowledgeable or smart.

That may be true in terms of philosophy professors which is (no offence) kind of an abstract subject to teach anyway.

In Archaeology if a professor can translate a dead language and then write award winning books on the subject i'd call him smart.

[heelsguy]

Experience has taught me that college professors, in the main, aren't all that knowledgeable or smart.


this is so fucking true. and once they are tenured, they are harder to get rid of than the clap

[The Batman]

I know a hell of a lot more than most of you fuckers.



That said, "knowledge" has always to be looked at differentiatedly.

With empirical subjects, knowledge is usually a clear-cut thing. You know a fact, or at least something considered fact by the majority. It gets a little bit muddled when it comes to things that cannot be proven 100%, but even there, you can be aware of the principal theories.

But again, people fall into the trap of applying empirical criteria to non-empirical subject matters. There's a reason it's called "faith" or "belief" and not "knowledge". Any human construct is based on thought alone - you cannot, say, scientifically prove that men are created equal, or that liberty is a high good, or that loving your fellow man is right and just. All of this is purely theoretical, which means that in these fields, "knowledge" means that you are aware of what's out there, and know how smart people thought about these things. Jurisprudence basically works this way, since most all law is based on theoretical norms.

It shocks me how the criteria of intelligence these days only seem to include things that can be observed - something that you don't need a human being for - and not those things that require human thought. By looking at knowledge like the original post does, you could conceivably say that any elementary school science teacher is "smarter" than, say, Aristotle. Which is manifest nonsense.

I really don't know if this is about knowledge. Obviously there are people who are smarter than others. Its more about knowing things in an asbolute kind of way. Thats why I think this pertains more to things of a religous nature or things we know little about, like the universe.

[Morfin]

These days everyone knows everything. The media in its attempt to pander to everyone makes out that people who are 'street smart' are on the par with college professors in terms on knowledge.

Pax:

What do you mean?

Sincerely,

Sarah Palin

[Candycane]

I saw your name as Sybian and got excited for a second.

[Syberian]

So when it comes to religion and the existence of a God, you don’t know that there is one, much you don’t know if there isn’t one.
I totally disagree: right before my gun blows your head off, you will realize that I am your God.

[Syberian]

I saw your name as Sybian and got excited for a second.
You come quite fast.

[The Batman]

I totally disagree: right before my gun blows your head off, you will realize that I am your God.

Is that the same thing I would say to your mom when she is blowing me?

[Pax Britannia]

You come quite fast.

A quality very rare in women.

[Syberian]

Is that the same thing I would say to your mom when she is blowing me?
If you need my mum for that, you must be quite desperate.

[Syberian]

A quality very rare in women.
Don't be so sure.

[DeMartini Sands]

I totally disagree: right before my gun blows your head off, you will realize that I am your God.

Nice!!!!!!!

[Archangel]

I really don't know if this is about knowledge. Obviously there are people who are smarter than others. Its more about knowing things in an asbolute kind of way. Thats why I think this pertains more to things of a religous nature or things we know little about, like the universe.

Anybody who says that they "know" things of a religious nature in an absolute kind of way, as you put it, is a world-class tool.

I don't "know" any more about the hitherto "unknowable" things than anybody else. The difference is, I THINK about them. That is what philosophy is, thinking about stuff to which there are no simple answers.

[STDSkillz]

All I know is that I know very little.

[Insomniac]

The funny thing is that a lot of people do know more than you, and they're still able to be wrong.

Communists would be a good example. They turned history into a science, and some of them were probably geniuses in addition to being well-informed. A whole century of intellectuals, if not more, fell under its sway and wrote very methodically and "objectively" why they were correct and socialism was the inevitable direction of the future.

Even now you have economists who are arguing about what's going on, why it's going on, and what the result is going to be. I trust them more than some jackass off the street, but that jackass is about as likely to be right as any of them.

And sure, the same thing applies to the afterlife and the true nature of reality, but it's much more mundane, too.

[Da Raider]

You don't know any more than I do. I am not talking about small facts about places or things. I am talking about when it comes to life, the after life, and our place in the universe. The only thing people know is either things that their experience has told them was true or facts told to you by other people. So when it comes to religion and the existence of a God, you don’t know that there is one, much you don’t know if there isn’t one. Anyone disagree?

(Feel free to take this conversation to any subject, because I think this is a pretty absolute argument to a lot of things.)

based on all of your posts, I'm very confident that I know a lot more than you.

[Yelram]

You don't know any more than I do. I am not talking about small facts about places or things. I am talking about when it comes to life, the after life, and our place in the universe. The only thing people know is either things that their experience has told them was true or facts told to you by other people. So when it comes to religion and the existence of a God, you don’t know that there is one, much you don’t know if there isn’t one. Anyone disagree?

(Feel free to take this conversation to any subject, because I think this is a pretty absolute argument to a lot of things.)

Ever taken any hallucinogens?

[The Batman]

based on all of your posts, I'm very confident that I know a lot more than you.

And based on all your posts you can suck my balls sir. I do believe the point of the conversation I brought up went right over your head.

[Satan]

lolhaha