BREAKING: Sarah Palin abused power in trooper case

[TheImpossibleMan]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/10/palin.investigation/index.html


ANCHORAGE, Alaska (CNN) -- Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin abused her power as Alaska's governor by trying to get her ex-brother-in-law fired from the state police, a state investigator's report concluded Friday.

"Gov. Palin knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda," the report states.

Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan's refusal to fire State Trooper Mike Wooten from the state police force was "likely a contributing factor" to Monegan's July dismissal, but Palin had the authority as governor to fire him, the report by former Anchorage prosecutor Stephen Branchflower states.

However, it states that her efforts to get Wooten fired broke a state ethics law that bars public officials from pursuing personal interest through official action.

The bipartisan Legislative Council, which commissioned the investigation after Monegan was fired, unanimously adopted the 263-page public report after a marathon executive session Friday. About 1,000 more pages of documents compiled during the inquiry will remain confidential, the council's chairman, state Sen. Kim Elton, said.

Rep. John Coghill, a Republican who criticized the handling of the investigation, said it was "well-done professionally."

But he said some of the conclusions were judgment calls by Branchflower, and recommended readers should view them with a "jaundiced eye."

Monegan said he was fired after refusing pressure to fire State Trooper Mike Wooten, who had gone through an acrimonious divorce and custody battle with Palin's sister.

Palin (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Sarah_Palin) has repeatedly denied wrongdoing, describing Wooten as a "rogue trooper" who had threatened her family. Wooten denied the allegations.

At a campaign stop Thursday, Palin told reporters that she has "absolutely nothing to hide" in the investigation.

The governor originally agreed to cooperate with the Legislative Council inquiry, and disclosed in August that her advisers had contacted Department of Public Safety officials nearly two dozen times regarding her ex-brother-in-law.

But when she became Sen. John McCain's running mate, her advisers began painting the investigation as a weapon of Democratic partisans. Ahead of Friday's hearing, Palin supporters wearing clown costumes and carrying balloons denounced the investigation as a "kangaroo court" and a "three-ring circus" led by supporters of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.

The state senator managing the investigation, Sen. Hollis French, fueled those complaints with a September 2 interview in which he warned the inquiry could yield an "October Surprise" for the GOP.

But Palin's lawyers already had begun pushing for the state Personnel Board to launch its own investigation, calling it the proper legal venue for the matter.

[Ace Rockola]

Does this qualify as an October Surprise?

[Mustard]

Sarah Palin: The gift that keeps on giving.

Thank you John McCain. I mean that from the bottom of my heart.

So, what next?

[NOTKyle]

There's no way McCorpse's ticker will be able to handle this.

[UNC]

yawn

[Fletch]

So, what next?

Well they can't really blame it on democrats, since it was adopted by a bipartisan council...so it was obviously the liberal media's fault. They'll go with that idea.

[Hanover Fist]

Interesting final part of the actual report: (interesting only in the fact it was completely omitted in the article cited for this thread)

I find that, although Walt Monegan's refusal to fire Trooper Michael Wooten was not the sole reason he was fired by Governor Sarah Palin, it was likely a contributing factor to his termination as Commissioner of Public Safety. In spite of that, Governor Palin's firing of Commissioner Monegan was a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority to hire and fire executive branch department heads.


PDF of the actual report:
http://media.adn.com/smedia/2008/10/10/16/Branchflowerreport.source.prod_affiliate.7.pdf

[Pollo]

wait for it, any second now we'll be seeing Claydon's essay long response to this.

[NOTKyle]

Interesting final part of the actual report: (interesting only in the fact it was completely omitted in the article cited for this thread)




PDF of the actual report:
http://media.adn.com/smedia/2008/10/10/16/Branchflowerreport.source.prod_affiliate.7.pdf

Technically lawful, but doesn't make it acceptable.

[Hanover Fist]

Technically lawful, but doesn't make it acceptable.

Anything is acceptable when it's done to a worthless fuck that tasers his own kids.

[Mustard]

Interesting final part of the actual report: (interesting only in the fact it was completely omitted in the article cited for this thread)

PDF of the actual report:
http://media.adn.com/smedia/2008/10/10/16/Branchflowerreport.source.prod_affiliate.7.pdf
There is a difference between ethics and legality, and I'm sure you're aware that this is an ethics issue, not a legality issue.

[Ace Rockola]

Anything is acceptable when it's done to a worthless fuck that tasers his own kids.

Apparently Alaska's Legislative Council begs to differ with you.

[Hanover Fist]

So how exactly does one get found to have abused their power and in the very same report be found to have acted PROPER and LAWFUL?
If it's proper then it isn't really an ethical violation and if it's legal, well then what the fuck is the big deal?
Tempest in a teapot anyone?

[enfeebler]

Does this really surprise anyone?

[mongo]

So how exactly does one get found to have abused their power and in the very same report be found to have acted PROPER and LAWFUL?
If it's proper then it isn't really an ethical violation and if it's legal, well then what the fuck is the big deal?
Tempest in a teapot anyone?

do bill clintons pardons fit in the "abuse of power but proper and legal" section? i think yes.

[Hanover Fist]

do bill clintons pardons fit in the "abuse of power but proper and legal" section? i think yes.

Not according to his explanation:
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/18/opinion/18CLIN.html?ex=1223784000&en=cf2c9048d01d3f8d&ei=5070

That and the fact that nothing whatsoever came of it and his wife ended up getting elected as a Senator and running for the Dem nominee for President.

[mongo]

Not according to his explanation:
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/18/opinion/18CLIN.html?ex=1223784000&en=cf2c9048d01d3f8d&ei=5070

That and the fact that nothing whatsoever came of it and his wife ended up getting elected as a Senator and running for the Dem nominee for President.

i'm actually trying to defend palin w/ my comment. i think every politician, obama included, is involved in some shady shit. unless we're going to elect joe schmoe from next door, stop being the first to cast stones.

[ElvisWong]

It's the real face of Palin.

[Mustard]

See, its like this, and I really can't make it any more clear:

1) Firing Monegan - OK

2) Pressuring Monegan to fire Wooten - ethics violation.

[BIG PIZZLE]

As governer, she could pretty much fire any state employee for any reason. But there is an obligation that goes beyond the law. Ethics. As a public official like most professionals, she is held to a higher standard. If she had a boss, that boss could fire her. But since she is the boss, the only real punishment is shame. Shame on you Sarah Palin. That's about all you can do.

[Mustard]

The AK congress could censure her I guess. Whoopdeedoo...

But really, this is just another nail in the coffin for the McCain/Palin ticket.

[Genius]

I don't care if it's ethical or legal. After the absolute Albertofuck bullshit that happened with the Justice Department (which was also technically both legal and ethical, until he started lying to the investigation committee members), I don't need this shit in the White House, and I don't need this shit being ordered by the White House. Let me rephrase that. Go ahead and do it. After that, you have two choices. 1) under no circumstances am I ever to find out about it, or 2) be totally up front about it. What it comes down to is, just don't fucking lie to my face. Keep it behind close doors forever, or tell me right away. Just don't fucking lie.

[dadaelus]

The bipartisan Legislative Council, which commissioned the investigation after Monegan was fired, unanimously adopted the 263-page public report after a marathon executive session Friday. About 1,000 more pages of documents compiled during the inquiry will remain confidential, the council's chairman, state Sen. Kim Elton, said.

I gotta admit that I am curious about the 1000 pages. Maybe it's a tinfoil hat moment but that is the part that interests me. I wonder if some paper will file to have that opened up.

[Mustard]

My guess is that the confidential papers are sworn testimonies of witnesses and legally private things of the like.

[Claydon]

Here is my essay:

Only fucking partisan cock sucking hacks like you all would even consider defending these guys.

[The GWD]

How can they blame Obama supporters when this investigation was going on months before McCain even announced Palin as his running mate?

[Mustard]

Who are "these guys"?

Oh, you mean the 10 republicans and the 4 democrats who comprised the bi-partisan Legislative Council.

Yeah seriously, fuck those guys.

[Claydon]

Who are "these guys"?

Oh, you mean the 10 republicans and the 4 democrats who comprised the bi-partisan Legislative Council.

Yeah seriously, fuck those guys.

No, the firing of the state employees.

[Mustard]

Only fucking partisan cock sucking hacks like you all would even consider defending these guys.

No, the firing of the state employees.
We're not defending them, as far as I can tell. In fact, can you point to a post and show me where somebody actually did defend Monegan or Wooten?

Furthermore, it appears you're not paying close attention here. It isn't even the firing of Monegan that matters in this case, it is the pressure Sarah Palin put on Monegan to fire Wooten that is the ethical violation, like I mentioned a little over an hour ago.

Come on buddy, get with the program here. This wasn't even a partisan deal.... Well, unless you can somehow prove to the rest of the world that 10 republicans and 4 democrats had a dual partisan vendetta agaisnt Gov. Palin?

[Genius]

You forget. Only Democrats are partisan. Republicans are never partisan. Ever. So it's pointless to argue. And Claydon certainly isn't partisan. In any way, shape, or form.

[Claydon]

You forget. Only Democrats are partisan. Republicans are never partisan. Ever. So it's pointless to argue. And Claydon certainly isn't partisan. In any way, shape, or form.

I am far more capable of calling out the bullshit of members of my party then you or the rest of your ass buddies. I can honestly say that only Sink calls out bullshit for what it is, the rest of you are waiting for the cum to drip from the obama campaign's dick.

[The GWD]

Is it going to drip soon?!

[dadaelus]

Obama-licious?

[Mustard]

You forget. Only Democrats are partisan. Republicans are never partisan. Ever. So it's pointless to argue. And Claydon certainly isn't partisan. In any way, shape, or form.
Sometimes, I honestly believe it is completely pointless to argue a scenario when it was hopeless before the onset. And yet I try anyway... its feels like I'm having a conversation with a tree. Who is partisan, and usually Yelram.

[Claydon]

Is it going to drip soon?!

nov 7

[kareyn01]

nov 7

You realize election day is November 4th, right?

Edit: Also, while its pretty apparent that Mike Wooten is a piece of shit, what exactly has Walt Monegan done? He claimed that he was fired at least in part because he wouldn't yield to Palin's pressure to fire Wooten (pressure that has since been labeled an abuse of power and an abuse of "the public trust"), and now the report finds that it was in fact one of the reasons he was fired.

[Vagrant]

Not shocking considering we're talking about the worst VP selection since Spiro Agnew.

[Genius]

I am far more capable of calling out the bullshit of members of my party then you or the rest of your ass buddies. I can honestly say that only Sink calls out bullshit for what it is, the rest of you are waiting for the cum to drip from the obama campaign's dick.
Yeah, you're always calling the Republicans out, that's exactly what you're known for. While I haven't today called Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid "liberal dooshbags" and professed my sadness over a member of my own party's connections to the Klan. Nope, didn't do that.

[Rover]

i'm actually trying to defend palin w/ my comment. i think every politician, obama included, is involved in some shady shit. unless we're going to elect joe schmoe from next door, stop being the first to cast stones.Joe Schmoe from next door probably keeps dead hookers buried in the basement.

Who are "these guys"?

Oh, you mean the 10 republicans and the 4 democrats who comprised the bi-partisan Legislative Council.

Yeah seriously, fuck those guys.Come on buddy, get with the program here. This wasn't even a partisan deal.... Well, unless you can somehow prove to the rest of the world that 10 republicans and 4 democrats had a dual partisan vendetta agaisnt Gov. Palin?Further proof of Palin's anti-corruption crusade. Do you really think she has lots of friends entrenched in the Alaskan GOP? She forced the head of the state GOP to resign amid corruption charges , forced the GOP attorney general to resign, and beat the GOP governor in a primary. I'm sure lots of entrenched GOP power brokers in Alaska love her.

And to get the dual bipartisan effort, the Alaskan Democrats have their Obama blinders on.

We're not defending them, as far as I can tell. In fact, can you point to a post and show me where somebody actually did defend Monegan or Wooten?

Furthermore, it appears you're not paying close attention here. It isn't even the firing of Monegan that matters in this case, it is the pressure Sarah Palin put on Monegan to fire Wooten that is the ethical violation, like I mentioned a little over an hour ago.Your defense of Wooten is implicit. Either it is okay for Wooten to taser his son, and be derelict in his duty, and threaten Palin's family, or it is not. If it is okay, then you're fine to criticize this and we can have a discussion about why you're okay with police who misuse their power.

If it is not okay, then you really shouldn't have a problem with Palin trying to get this shithead cop fired. The governor has a obligation to provide for the public safety. It is not in the public's interest to have a habitually drunk cop patrolling the streets, breaking laws, threatening people, and tasering children.

The next time the LAPD kicks the shit out of Rodney King, or the NYPD shoots some guy 456 times for a traffic violation and shoves a broomhandle up his ass, you'd better not complain. Somewhere there's a public official who's trying to fire cops with aggression problems, but the official is afraid he'll get brought up on trumped up ethics violations.

You realize election day is November 4th, right?

Edit: Also, while its pretty apparent that Mike Wooten is a piece of shit, what exactly has Walt Monegan done? He claimed that he was fired at least in part because he wouldn't yield to Palin's pressure to fire Wooten (pressure that has since been labeled an abuse of power and an abuse of "the public trust"), and now the report finds that it was in fact one of the reasons he was fired.Monegan refused to implement the govenor's budgets and they had philosophical disagreements.

[Stax]

McCain's already lost, this'll just hurt smore.

[freegood]

Not shocking considering we're talking about the worst VP selection since Spiro Agnew.

Aaron Burr killed a Treasury Secretary and caused a Contitutional Amendment to be written after him.


Sarah's ambitious.

[kareyn01]

Joe Schmoe from next door probably keeps dead hookers buried in the basement.

Further proof of Palin's anti-corruption crusade. Do you really think she has lots of friends entrenched in the Alaskan GOP? She forced the head of the state GOP to resign amid corruption charges , forced the GOP attorney general to resign, and beat the GOP governor in a primary. I'm sure lots of entrenched GOP power brokers in Alaska love her.

And to get the dual bipartisan effort, the Alaskan Democrats have their Obama blinders on.

Your defense of Wooten is implicit. Either it is okay for Wooten to taser his son, and be derelict in his duty, and threaten Palin's family, or it is not. If it is okay, then you're fine to criticize this and we can have a discussion about why you're okay with police who misuse their power.



1) Wooten being an asshole and Palin abusing her power are not mutually exclusive. Just because Wooten is a psychotic schmuck doesn't give Palin the authority to overstep the role of her elected office (or to use her husband as an agent to that effect).

2) So Palin was either innocent of abusing her power, or if found guilty by a group of 10 Republicans, 4 Democrats and an independent investigator, then its a clear illustration of how much of a reformer she is and should be dismissed. How convenient.

[freegood]

I wish Rover had the same objectivity on the Clinton witchhunt where Ken Starr had to ask the President explicitly about all his dirty laundry in order to nail him on the gotcha.

But a lie is a lie, and he abused his power, right?

[Rover]

1) Wooten being an asshole and Palin abusing her power are not mutually exclusive. Just because Wooten is a psychotic schmuck doesn't give Palin the authority to overstep the role of her elected office (or to use her husband as an agent to that effect).Okay, but what is she supposed to have done? She is the elected governor of a state whose duty is, among other things, to ensure public safety.

She can either:
A) Stay ethically sound and ignore the fact that there is a state trooper running around breaking laws, performing his job habitually drunk, threatening to kill citizens, and tasering children with his state issued tasergun.

B) Straddle the ethics line and try to get this scumbag asshole fired.

2) So Palin was either innocent of abusing her power, or if found guilty by a group of 10 Republicans, 4 Democrats and an independent investigator, then its a clear illustration of how much of a reformer she is and should be dismissed. How convenient.I'm not saying she is free of ethical violations. I'm saying that I don't have a problem with a governor trying to get a shithead, assclown state trooper fired, who is dangerous to the citizens of the state.

I wish Rover had the same objectivity on the Clinton witchhunt where Ken Starr had to ask the President explicitly about all his dirty laundry in order to nail him on the gotcha.

But a lie is a lie, and he abused his power, right?Bill Clinton can fuck all the women he wants. Hillary doesn't mind and why should I care. However, Clinton was being sued for sexual harassment by a private individual and he lied while testifying under oath. I do not think the chief executive should be allowed to lie under oath because he's embarrassed to admit that he's a serial abuser of woman and has a problem and doesn't want to pay punitive damages.

This is interesting. Democrats think that state troopers shouldn't be fired for being dangerous to society at large, and that it's okay if the chief executive commits perjury and obstruction of justice as long as he's covering up his tendency to abuse and harass women.

A governor, who wants to fire a moron state trooper for being dangerous to society, is guilty of ethics violation, and a President, who has committed perjury and obstruction of justice, is the victim of a witchhunt by people with political agendas.

Are both victims of political witchhunts? Yes, but Bill Clinton actually lied under oath and obstructed justice. Sarah Palin unethically influenced someone to fire a state trooper who liked to taser kids and show up to work drunk and threaten murder and break the laws he's supposed to enforce.

Call me a partisan hack, but I'm struggling to find fault with trying to get Wooten fired. I'm slightly pissed off that this guy still has a job. Call me an idealist, but I believe that cops should be less morally corrupt than the people they arrest.

[Soup Nazi]

Poor Mitt Romney, I wonder what he is thinking right now.

[Aegis]

I'm sure the McCain camp knew about this and are ready to blow it off accordingly. They did research her before he choose her you know!



lol

[Rover]

Poor Mitt Romney, I wonder what he is thinking right now.I'll be president in 4 years.

[URFloorMatt]

I thought the next Republican nominee will have opposed the bailout? I would be shocked if Mitt Romney opposed it. He seems somewhat informed and marginally intelligent.

[vasili denisov]

I'll be president in 4 years.
The religious element has clear control over the party and the primaries; Huckabee's campaign started out with the budget of a waitress' tips and an amateur organization but he was able to beat Romney's millions. If Huckabee can rely on populism and religion before the bail-out, he can most definitely rely on it afterwards.

Plus, the best hypothesis I heard for why McCain considers Wright off-limits is because it would bring Palin's pentecostalism to the fore, which would put off evangelicals who now support her. If pentecostals aren't abided, no way will mormons be.

[Mustard]

For some of the mouth-breathers out there who still have no idea what is going on, I give you this relatively concise report from www.electoral-vote.com that you won't read.


Investigator's Report: Palin Violated State Ethics Law

The long-awaited report of retired prosecutor Steve Branchflower, who was hired by the Alaska legislature to investigate alleged misconduct on the part of Alaska's governor, Sarah Palin was issued yesterday. The full report is available here (http://download2.legis.state.ak.us/DOWNLOAD.pdf). The main conclusion is that Palin abused her power as governor to settle a personal vendetta and that in doing so broke the Alaska ethics law. The report contains the statement: "I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110 (a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act." In theory, she could be impeached and fined for this behavior, but it is doubtful that the Republican-controlled state legislature will sanction her at all.
As we have pointed out many times, be careful what you wish for; you might get it. McCain has long wished for some other news story to drown out the endless stories about the economic turmoil. Finally he got it: the Palin abuse-of-power story is being covered in detail by the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/10/AR2008101003167.html?hpid=topnews), New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/11/us/politics/11trooper.html?hp), LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-troopergate11-2008oct11,0,6863069.story), USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/topstories/2008-10-11-1503106214_x.htm), and just about every other national paper in the country as well as most of the foreign press.

If you haven't been following the story, known as Troopergate, here is an executive summary. Palin's sister, Molly, was involved in a bitter divorce and child custody fight with her former husband, state trooper Mike Wooten. Palin, who supports family values, wanted to help her sister in the custody battle by causing her ex brother-in-law to be unemployed. So she asked the state commissioner of public safety, Walt Monegan, to fire Wooten. Monegan refused. Wooten had been involved in some misconduct earlier, but Monegan told Palin that Wooten had been disciplined for it already and the case was closed. Monegan further told Palin to get off Wooten's case because that might be seen as an ethics violation. Palin took his advice and assigned her husband, Todd Palin, the job of getting state employees to work on getting Wooten fired. One of the attempts was a telephone call (http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Data/Wooten.mp3) that was (lawfully) recorded and later released. Branchflower found over a dozen specific incidents where state employees took action to try to get Wooten fired. Ultimately, Palin got frustrated with the process and fired Monegan. This firing was what started the investigation.

Palin denies all wrongdoing and says the report is politically motivated. However, the investigation was started before Palin was chosen to be the vice-presidential nominee, the Republicans control the state legislature, and the report was released yesterday by a unanimous vote of the bipartisan Joint Legislative Council, which had oversight on the investigation. The investigator, Steve Branchflower, is a retired prosecutor with a reputation for integrity. None of these facts suggest a political hatchet job. In fact, the president of the Alaska state senate, Lyda Green, a Republican from Palin's home town of Wasilla, said (http://www.aikenstandard.com/Nation/1011Palin): "The problem with power is that people pay attention to it. And it's very easy to get beside yourself and use it in the wrong way. And we do have to leave personal business at home."
What Happens Next with Palin?

Standard operating procedure when your vice-presidential nominee gets into hot water is prayer--pray this all goes away quickly. But it probably won't and McCain will have to answer questions about his judgment in choosing personnel. If you can't even vet your running mate--arguably the most important decision of the entire campaign--how are you going to vet cabinet appointees, federal judges, and thousands of other people the President appoints? Undoubtedly McCain raged at his de-facto campaign manager, Steve Schmidt, yesterday for pressuring him to choose Palin. McCain is widely believed to have preferred his good friend Sen. Joe Lieberman, but Lieberman is pro-choice and his selection would have widened the gap between McCain and the Republican base into something approximating a large canyon located in McCain's home state.

What next? McCain could dump Palin and pick a new running mate, but then Obama's steady attack that McCain is erratic would resonate strongly with independents and Democrats. Furthermore, who would he pick? The base wouldn't tolerate Lieberman on abortion. They would love Mike Huckabee, but McCain thinks he is loony. Mitt Romney might be a plausible pick given the emphasis on economics, but having a ticket consisting of a guy worth $100 million and a guy worth $200 million when people are losing their houses wouldn't look good. Giuliani can say "9/11" more times per minute than anyone in recorded history but that's not what McCain needs right now. Picking another unknown who hasn't been vetted is not appealing. So he's probably stuck with Palin and has to hope this subsides quickly.

Pretty spot on I would say.

[Pax Britannia]

When it rains it pours.

[Archangel]

Plus, the best hypothesis I heard for why McCain considers Wright off-limits is because it would bring Palin's pentecostalism to the fore, which would put off evangelicals who now support her. If pentecostals aren't abided, no way will mormons be.

Can't you people have, like, normal religions?

[Mustard]

Well, we could be Hindu I guess?

[TheImpossibleMan]

Man, I feel bad for McCain, I sincerely do. It's a shame that such an exceptional person and politician will see his career come to such an ignominious end.

[dadaelus]

Can't you people have, like, normal religions?
You are so right. What we need on this side of the pond is more funny hats...

http://i37.tinypic.com/2qxw1lc.jpg

[Insomniac]

Can't you people have, like, normal religions?

Yeah, speaking in tongues is weird. Give some of that good old time religion where wine and bread magically turn to Jesus's blood and flesh inside the stomach.

Not that I want Pentecostals running my, well, anything, but we're talking about religious beliefs here and we have to admit those are almost always silly.

[ADD]

Fry this worthless cunt

[dadaelus]

Fry this worthless cunt

Hell no! Why give her the satisfaction of martyrdom? I'd rather watch her do the white trash death spiral: She goes back to Alaska, her power broken, the subject of ridicule. The people mock her, the moose and wolves shit on her doorstep without fear, and she gets booted from office.

I want her to spend the rest of her life watching her name get slowly etched in the history books. I want her to realize that, if she had paid a little more attention in class to history and basic economics, if she had read a fucking newspaper once in a while, things might have been different.

[Insomniac]

Seriously, she'll be running for and win the presidency in 2012. This means nothing.

[dadaelus]

She'll run against Huckabee who will beat her like a gong.

[Titus_Pullo]

Be honest, out of all the Palin haters out there, how many knew anything about her up until a couple of months ago?

[dadaelus]

I admit I was ignorant of her other than she was then she was a governor with a longshot at the vp slot.

[ADD]

Be honest, out of all the Palin haters out there, how many knew anything about her up until a couple of months ago?

Same goes for folks that like her. No one outside of Alaska (and apparently people that live there as well) knew about her. However, it took about 43 seconds to dislike her.

[Mustard]

Seriously, she'll be running for and win the presidency in 2012. This means nothing.
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[freegood]

Be honest, out of all the Palin haters out there, how many knew anything about her up until a couple of months ago?

That only deflects the question that should be asked to McCain, "How much did you know about her up until a couple of months ago before you picked her to be your political heir in the event that you croak in office?"

[Aegis]

The people that like her are the people that cast their votes for one thing.

Pro Life

Other than that there's no reason to like her unless you take in the fact that 90% of American men and women would hit it.

[Archangel]

Pro Life, Pro Life, Pro Life...



Ah, you mean the people who think that ******s who kill someone should be fried, that ragheads should be bombed to death, that people who cannot afford healthcare should be led out to pasture, and that everybody should have an automatic .30-calibre killing tool in his cupboard?

[Mustard]

Pro Life, another Orwellian topic brought to you by the GOP.

[ADD]

Because even retarded incestuous babies should live!

[freegood]

Pro Life, Pro Life, Pro Life...



Ah, you mean the people who think that ******s who kill someone should be fried, that ragheads should be bombed to death, that people who cannot afford healthcare should be led out to pasture, and that everybody should have an automatic .30-calibre killing tool in his cupboard?

Heathens are considered monkeys to be shot from a plane.

[Mustard]

Or wolves from a helicopter?

[Axel]

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