Chinese Democracy = Releasing in November already!

[Menace2Sobriety]

The 13-years-in-the-making Guns N'Roses album will be in stores in November.

After working on Chinese Democracy so long everyone ran out of jokes about its delays, GNR announced it'll drop its album into stores Nov. 23, according to Billboard. The album, which arrives 14 years to the day after its predecessor, The Spaghetti Incident? (Geffen), will first turn up in stores on a Sunday, rather than the customary Tuesday release date.

Arranging the oddball release date was easy for GNR: Since it's a release exclusive to Best Buy, it's planned to entice fans into the store in the days before Black Friday, the day following Thanksgiving when Christmas shopping traditionally is considered to begin.http://www.aversion.com/news/news_article.cfm?news_id=11532

[Archangel]

Yeah, right.

[SniffTheLog]

Axl Rose is a piece of shit. I'd be cool with never hearing whatever bastardization of GNR he comes up with.

[comicfan]

I just have a really hard time believing that this will actually happen. And even if it does... it will never be the same without the original band members.

[ADD]

http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?t=2190

[vicar in a tutu]

Pah, Pah and thrice Pah!

I'd rather listen to an album by Axel Foley.

[Morfin]

Axl Rose? Nothing says "Bad boy rocker" like plastic surgery and hair transplants.

Too little, too late. No one cares about this album.

[Da Raider]

isn't Axl Rose the only original member still in the band? If Slash ain't on board, I ain't on board. Axl can suck a dick.

[The Batman]

Will someone just take one for the team and listen to it and let us all know how bad it is?

[ADD]

Yeah, Axl's the only guy left and it's been that way for a long time

[Da Raider]

Will someone just take one for the team and listen to it and let us all know how bad it is?

I think you just nominated yourself.

[The Batman]

I think you just nominated yourself.

Damn, i kinda did..... but I don't want to suffer like that. I am sure there is some sort of hardcore GNR fan around here somewhere.

[Morfin]

Damn, i kinda did..... but I don't want to suffer like that. I am sure there is some sort of hardcore GNR fan around here somewhere.

Yeah, but it's been so long that he's probably older than me and now listens to Jimmy Buffett.

[Gary_Busey]

I actually like Better. It's a pretty good song.

[ADD]

That's the only one I've heard so far I really liked. Shackler's Revenge and Madagascar are ok. The rest so far are meh.

[patcooper]

Better is definitely the best track next to chinese democracy. twat is also very good it can be compared to estranged.
and yes there are plenty of us hardcore gnr fans around. just check out mygnrforum.com

[Jericho]

No....no. I'd rather not

[Da Raider]

Better is definitely the best track next to chinese democracy. twat is also very good it can be compared to estranged.
and yes there are plenty of us hardcore gnr fans around. just check out mygnrforum.com

GNR is dead. This is just a washup faggot trying to make scratch off of the GNR name. If this band was called Axl Rose and the Cocksuckers no one would buy the album. No one is going to your gay ass forum.

[Swurgen]

http://forum.gorillamask.net/showthread.php?t=8909

[patcooper]

GNR is dead. This is just a washup faggot trying to make scratch off of the GNR name. If this band was called Axl Rose and the Cocksuckers no one would buy the album. No one is going to your gay ass forum.

The old gnr is dead yes. the new band is just as talented as the orignal. both ron thal and robin finck are fucking awesome guitar players.

Plus if they were dead how did they sell out Madsion Square Garden in 2006?

[Da Raider]

The old gnr is dead yes. the new band is just as talented as the orignal. both ron thal and robin finck are fucking awesome guitar players.

Plus if they were dead how did they sell out Madsion Square Garden in 2006?

because of retards just like you who pay good money for what is basically a glorified cover band.

[Gary_Busey]

IRS is pretty good too.

[Da Raider]

GNR is DEAD.

AXL SHOULD HAVE TO CALL THE NEW BAND "AXL ROSE GARGLES MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF COCK".

[Archetype]

As opposed to what, Velvet Revolver?

[Gary_Busey]

Did Axl rape you as a kid or something?

[Da Raider]

Did Axl rape you as a kid or something?

Axl ruined one of the greatest rock and roll bands of all time. He deserves to die a violent death.

[AJ]

The album, which arrives 14 years to the day after its predecessor, The Spaghetti Incident? (Geffen),


But it's been
14 years of silence
It's been
14 years of pain
It's been
14 years that are gone forever
And I'll never have again


Coincidence? I think not.

[patcooper]

Axl ruined one of the greatest rock and roll bands of all time. He deserves to die a violent death.

I don't think that's 100 % true Their old management did everything axl wanted, and knew that axl was the "money man" so they helped him fuck slash and duff. if you are aware back in 92-93 the band hated axl for all his shit he put them through. but they never did or said anything to him. so they are to blame for the demise just as much as he is.

read slash book he talks all about axl in a chapter.

[Genius]

Reading Slash's book? Very, VERY near the bottom of my priority list.

[Kopek]

Raping our wallets or raping our anuses?

[vicar in a tutu]

Did Axl rape you as a kid or something?

Could this have been the inspiration for Sweet ChIld Of Mine?

Where did you go Baby Jesus? Where did you go now?

[Menace2Sobriety]

I read slash's book. He talks about axl alienating everyone, trying to take over the name and creative concept and forcing everyone out.

[patcooper]

I read slash's book. He talks about axl alienating everyone, trying to take over the name and creative concept and forcing everyone out.

exactly but slash and duff never tried to fix it. they just let him do whatever he wanted. so they were part of the problem also.
Slash also said it was easier to let him be him than it would have been to try and change the situation.

[ADD]

Then how were they "part of the problem"? When an asshole is going to be an asshole, you're not going to change that. It's not like Slash or Duff punching him in the face would have fixed anything.

[patcooper]

Then how were they "part of the problem"? When an asshole is going to be an asshole, you're not going to change that. It's not like Slash or Duff punching him in the face would have fixed anything.

they figured it was easier to let him be a dick then to talk to him.
matt sorum got into it with axl over going on stage to late, making the fans wait hours. slash and duff told matt just let him be, he'll start when he's ready.
a band is not just one person, if one fucks up the entire band is at fault. just like a marriage.

[ShitBreak]

Dear god. You really need to just shut the fuck up.

[Titus_Pullo]

The whole time people have been waiting for the new G&R album to come out, I've thought this was nothing more than an Axel Rose solo project.

[TheImpossibleMan]

I guess I was too young to get swept up in the GnR craze, cause I've never been that high on them. I think Appetite is pretty good but not that amazing; I never listened to their later albums but heard the singles and thought they were forgettably decent (i.e. November Rain). It surprises me to see people suggesting GnR is one of the best rock and roll bands ever.

[Swurgen]

they figured it was easier to let him be a dick then to talk to him.
matt sorum got into it with axl over going on stage to late, making the fans wait hours. slash and duff told matt just let him be, he'll start when he's ready.
a band is not just one person, if one fucks up the entire band is at fault. just like a marriage.

Let's see...fight with a relentless asshole or basically retire with my millions (that the asshole had an enormous part in earning for me) and fuck hot chicks all day?

[patcooper]

Let's see...fight with a relentless asshole or basically retire with my millions (that the asshole had an enormous part in earning for me) and fuck hot chicks all day?


well it's funny that they dropped weiland pretty fast. and he is just as big an asshole as axl. it seems liked they learned from their mistakes.

[Swurgen]

Weiland isn't nearly the asshole Axl is. Weiland is just a harmless junkie. Axl is a beligerent asshole. I loved GnR but that's just the way it is.

BTW...Metallica kicked their ass every night on that stadium tour.

[ADD]

Weiland > Axl

[patcooper]

Weiland > Axl


i've met both, axl was gracious took pictures and signed a setlist for me. weiland refused photos and scribbled some shit on my ticket stub.

i heard the stories of weiland refusing to leave his trailer and pulling an axl a few times during the stp tour this summer also.

[ADD]

I meant as a singer/writer/artist, but whatever

[Archangel]

As a singer, probably.

As a songwriter, hell no.

[ADD]

I disagree. Besides, most of AFD was written by others, especially the better songs like "It's So Easy" and "Mr. Brownstone".

[patcooper]

I disagree. Besides, most of AFD was written by others, especially the better songs like "It's So Easy" and "Mr. Brownstone".

your wrong easy and brownstone were the only 2 on AFD that axl didn't have a writing credit on.

[ADD]

Yet those are the best 2. Coincidence? I think not.

And you're wrong Mr. GN'R. Stradlin got the only credit on "Think About You" as well.

And It's "You're wrong". Are you Axl? Be honest.

[DeMartini Sands]

I've hearda few tracks,it's ok, it's no WTTJ though, there will be some initial buzz, but after the first week of release it will probably drop out of site...

[patcooper]

Yet those are the best 2. Coincidence? I think not.

And you're wrong Mr. GN'R. Stradlin got the only credit on "Think About You" as well.

And It's "You're wrong". Are you Axl? Be honest.

ok i stand corrected, on both. so axl help write or wrote what 9 songs from AFD. And Jungle, SCOM, Paradise City were all huge hits. that's pretty damn good for their first release.

[dick_darlington]

it will be delayed AGAIN. mark my words.

[patcooper]

15 short promo videos were on gnr managements website this morning. they are now been removed but they are all on youtube. this is one
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=3oWmHXh-NCs

[Archetype]

Would you learn some fucking grammar?

[patcooper]

Would you learn some fucking grammar?

who gives a fuck about grammar? this is a fucking message board not college.

[willydong]

http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.myeasytv.com/movies/comedy/jozin-z-bazin

Morfin supplied this link to new GNR material. It took me straight to paradise city!

[Archetype]

who gives a fuck about grammar? this is a fucking message board not college.

No. This is GMF. We speak English here, not retard.

[Jericho]

sometimes you do, jj

[Bill Paxton]

who gives a fuck about grammar? this is a fucking message board not college.

If you used "who" instead of "whom" and someone called you out on it, you'd be justified in telling them to fuck off. When I have to read something you've posted twice because I can't wrap my mind around the retarded nature of your sentence structure, then you need to get your shit together.

[ADD]

ok i stand corrected, on both. so axl help write or wrote what 9 songs from AFD. And Jungle, SCOM, Paradise City were all huge hits. that's pretty damn good for their first release.

Hits doesn't equate good. Good Charlotte and Nickelback have had a ton of hits.

[patcooper]

Hits doesn't equate good. Good Charlotte and Nickelback have had a ton of hits.

So your saying jungle SCOM and Paradise City aren't good?
How many copies did their greatest hits sell?

How was my grammar? When is the spelling test. you fucking whining douchbags.

[ShitBreak]

SHUT THE FUCK UP

Jesus Christ. Seriously. You are like an early 1990s GN'R fan that got hit by a fucking bus a few years ago and lost half of your fucking brain. Can't spell, can't think rationally. All you can do is drool on yourself while looking at Axl Rose and then you shit yourself.

[Archetype]

sometimes you do, jj
But at least I use proper grammar so you can understand the depths of my profound stupidity.

[Swurgen]

i've met both, axl was gracious took pictures and signed a setlist for me. weiland refused photos and scribbled some shit on my ticket stub.

i heard the stories of weiland refusing to leave his trailer and pulling an axl a few times during the stp tour this summer also.

Well then if that's what your personal experience was out of the literally millions of fans that each of them has personally met at one point or another, then that's what they must surely be like. Every day.

The mere fact that it's referred to as 'pulling an Axl' should tell you something. I liked STP but Weiland never wrote something as dramatic as November Rain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_Rain). It may or may not be your favorite song but it is an epic song that is oozing with 'songwriting'.

[Rumpleforeskin]

This thread is making me lollerz

[patcooper]

Well then if that's what your personal experience was out of the literally millions of fans that each of them has personally met at one point or another, then that's what they must surely be like. Every day.

The mere fact that it's referred to as 'pulling an Axl' should tell you something. I liked STP but Weiland never wrote something as dramatic as November Rain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_Rain). It may or may not be your favorite song but it is an epic song that is oozing with 'songwriting'.

1- i never said that i knew what either were like everyday. my opinion is that both are assholes, and slash and duff dropped weiland alot quicker than axl because weiland was alot less talented.
2- axl was known for making fans wait all night until he was ready to go on stage. well the stp show i saw in boston over the summer weiland did the same shit.
3- i think axl is a better song writer and performer than scotty will ever dream of being.
4- dont leave me rep messages telling me to stop,and shut my mouth. if you dont like my opinion don't read the post, and since so many of you hate on axl and gnr why are you even reading this thread? if it wasn't for me this music forum would be fucking asleep.

[Swurgen]

1- i never said that i knew what either were like everyday. my opinion is that both are assholes, and slash and duff dropped weiland alot quicker than axl because weiland was alot less talented.

It was because Velvet Revolver isn't a hair on the ass of GnR and Weiland isn't the only one to blame for that.

[ADD]

So your saying jungle SCOM and Paradise City aren't good?
How many copies did their greatest hits sell?


Who gives a shit how many copies their GH sold? It was a stellar cash in by the label to recoup some of the money they figured they'd never see. GH collections sell. What's your point? Most "fans" don't want to go back and buy 4-5 albums if they don't have to.

And I'm saying SCOM and PC are some of the worst songs on AFD. The non-singles like with many bands are the better songs. The label 99% of the time will choose the hookiest, catchiest, most radio friendly songs to release as singles. SCOM is stellar writing. What's Axl 7?

Oh, and your grammar was fanfuckingtastic.

[Archetype]

And I'm saying SCOM and PC are some of the worst songs on AFD. The non-singles like with many bands are the better songs. The label 99% of the time will choose the hookiest, catchiest, most radio friendly songs to release as singles. SCOM is stellar writing. What's Axl 7?

Didn't you bring up Think About You? SCoM may very well be sappy, catchy, childish crap, but TAY doesn't even have that goin for it.

[ADD]

I did, but only to point out that PC missed something about GN'R. That song is crap.

[patcooper]

SHUT THE FUCK UP

Jesus Christ. Seriously. You are like an early 1990s GN'R fan that got hit by a fucking bus a few years ago and lost half of your fucking brain. Can't spell, can't think rationally. All you can do is drool on yourself while looking at Axl Rose and then you shit yourself.

AFD came out in the 80's not the 90's.

[ADD]

How does that have to do with anything he said?

[ShitBreak]

HAHA...I rant, and he points out that one of their albums came out in the 80s.

Yeah. Case closed.

[patcooper]

How does that have to do with anything he said?

Because we were talking about the writing credits of AFD. I never once mentioned anything about UYI which came out in the 90's.

so by him saying
You are like an early 1990s GN'R fan that got hit by a fucking bus a few years ago and lost half of your fucking brainMeans that i was loving gnr in the 90's which isn't fucking true. i was listening to rap in the 90's.

oh and back to the main topic here. the first single will be released tomorrow and it's the title track chinese democracy. you can check fmqb for all the haters that don't believe me.

[Morfin]

Means that i was loving gnr in the 90's which isn't fucking true. i was listening to rap in the 90's.

Even worse.

[ADD]

Pat Cooper is Axl Rose

[patcooper]

Even worse.

yes i know i'm a wigger.

[ADD]

Because you're Axl Rose! I knew it!

Sweet wig

[Superhuman]

First Single, "Chinese Democracy" to be released to radio stations October 22


http://www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=945537 (http://www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=945537)


At long last, Guns N' Roses will have a new single impacting at radio. "Chinese Democracy," the title track to the long-delayed upcoming album of the same name, will arrive at radio tomorrow morning. In other GNR news, the man who allegedly recently leaked tracks from Chinese Democracy has pled innocent in federal court, according to Reuters. Kevin Cogill has been charged by the FBI with violating federal copyright law for posting nine songs from the album online in August, and was arrested in L.A. Chinese Democracy is expected to be released at last in November exclusively at Best Buy.

Also confirmed by Billboard.

EDIT: FMQB's single release list says it's gonna be released on the 27th actually. (http://www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=16697) We shall see. Either way, we're getting a new song within a week.

[Poop Sailboat]

I can't believe people give a shit about this.

[Superhuman]

Guns N’ Roses Officially Announce “Chinese Democracy”: Pre-Orders Start Today (http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/10/22/guns-n-roses-management-officially-announce-chinese-democracy-release/)

Guns N’ Roses’ managers released a statement today officially confirming the arrival of Chinese Democracy on November 23rd. “The release of Chinese Democracy marks a historic moment in rock n’ roll,” said Irving Azoff and Andy Gould. They also added that Best Buy would be launching a “monumental campaign that matches the groundbreaking sound of the album itself.” Pre-orders begin today for the 14 track album co-produced by Axl Rose and Caram Costanzo (Pearl Jam’s No Code, Rage Against the Machine’s Evil Empire). Chinese Democracy will be available on CD, digital download and vinyl (with a free digital download option) through Geffen Records and Black Frog (Rose’s publishing company). Follow the jump for the official press release in it’s entirely.


MINNEAPOLIS, October 22, 2008 – Best Buy and Geffen Records announced that one of the most highly anticipated albums of all time, Guns N’ Roses’ Chinese Democracy, will be available beginning Nov. 23 at Best Buy and BestBuy.com on CD, vinyl, and digital downloads. The title track, the first single from the album, was released to radio today, October 22. Chinese Democracy is the first album of new material from one of rock’s most influential bands since the 1991 simultaneous releases of Use Your Illusion I and Use Your Illusion II.

“The release of Chinese Democracy marks a historic moment in rock n’ roll,” said co-managers Irving Azoff and Andy Gould. “We’re launching with a monumental campaign developed by Gary Arnold and the Best Buy team that matches the groundbreaking sound of the album itself. Guns N’ Roses fans have every reason to celebrate, for this is only the beginning.”

“Chinese Democracy is one of the most highly anticipated albums in music history, and Best Buy is thrilled to deliver this explosive and previously elusive release to Guns N’ Roses fans. Longtime fans will be rewarded for their patience and loyalty to this great band, while a new generation of fans will be blown away,” said Gary Arnold, Senior Entertainment Officer for Best Buy. “Axl Rose is one of the most dynamic and gifted writers and performers in modern music. Best Buy is excited to work with Axl to make the release of Chinese Democracy THE musical event of 2008!”

“Guns N’ Roses is THE premier American rock band,” commented Steve Berman, President, Sales and Marketing, Interscope Geffen A&M Records. “Partnering with Gary and everyone at Best Buy to release one of rock’s most anticipated and legendary albums is truly a moment in music history. We’re thrilled to be able to announce that Chinese Democracy is coming, it’s coming this year, and it’s coming to Best Buy.”

Produced by Axl Rose and Caram Costanzo, the album, which will be released on Black Frog/Geffen Records, includes 14 tracks. “Shackler’s Revenge” debuted September 14 through the Rock Band 2 videogame and “If The World” can be heard in the film Body Of Lies, which premiered on October 11.

Chinese Democracy is being released in three formats: CD, Vinyl LP (with a free digital download of the tracks), and as a digital album. Pre-orders at www.BestBuy.com/chinesedemocracy (http://www.BestBuy.com/chinesedemocracy) begin today.

I can't believe it. I thought this day would never come.



If you go to the official site (http://www.gunsnroses.com), you can hear the title track in full!

It sounds great! New vocals and drums and some new guitars during the verses.

[TheImpossibleMan]

What do you mean you never thought this day would come? You said you'd be holding it in your hands by Thanksgiving of 2007

[ShitBreak]

I fucking hate to admit this...but that Chinese Democracy song really isn't that bad.

[Superhuman]

What do you mean you never thought this day would come? You said you'd be holding it in your hands by Thanksgiving of 2007
That was when I was delusional. Then I came to my senses and finally convinced myself it was never coming out....and it was 2006, not 2007.

[Superhuman]

"Chinese Democracy" mp3 (http://www.20min.ch/tooldata/sound/540.mp3)

[Justabot]

Well, that successfully crashed firefox three times.

[Superhuman]

The mp3 link or the official site?


They're both working fine for me.

[Archetype]

Pretty good, not the old GNR, but didn't expect it to be.

[Justabot]

The mp3 link or the official site?


They're both working fine for me.


The mp3.

[Superhuman]

Try right clicking on it and click save as.

[Justabot]

That worked. Thanks.
The song isn't bad. The guitar reminded me of The Scorpions and the mixing seems a bit muddy but not bad. He'll sell some records, obviously, but I think he really missed his window...by about six or seven years.

[patcooper]

That worked. Thanks.
The song isn't bad. The guitar reminded me of The Scorpions and the mixing seems a bit muddy but not bad. He'll sell some records, obviously, but I think he really missed his window...by about six or seven years.

well i was very happy to hear this song this morning on xm. i agree that it does sound a little dated, and it's still not one of the strongest songs from the record. but hopefully the next single will be BETTER. I know were I'll be november 23rd.

[ShitBreak]

well i was very happy to hear this song this morning on xm. i agree that it does sound a little dated, and it's still not one of the strongest songs from the record. but hopefully the next single will be BETTER. I know were I'll be november 23rd.


Hopefully somewhere face down in a ditch.

[ADD]

I know where I won't be Nov. 23

[Claibo]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3060/2964520533_7c448f95e5_o.jpg

your shipment of Chinese Democracy is now delayed b/c of technical difficulties.

Damn!!!!

[ADD]

I want my fucking Dr. Pepper and I want it right fucking now.

[Claibo]

I can't wait for this to come out... I hope that it was worth the decades long wait.

If it sucks... well screw it... so did most of their albums.

[Kilgore]

I just heard the clip on WWTDD, wasn't that bad, but didn't sound like G&R.

[ADD]

15 years of hype comes down to $10 and a Sunday in November. I can hardly contain myself...

[patcooper]

15 years of hype comes down to $10 and a Sunday in November. I can hardly contain myself...

Don't forget about the soon to be announced tour.

[ADD]

I've already seen Axl N' Roses come out at midnight and not impress me enough for the price.

[patcooper]

what year and what city?

[Huggie Smiles]

I want my fucking Dr. Pepper and I want it right fucking now.

me too! but presumably we have to wait until November.

[ADD]

me too! but presumably we have to wait until November.

Nov. 23. You'll have 24 hours to download a coupon for a free 20 oz. DP (no word if it can be diet, cherry vanilla, etc.) that will expire on Feb. 28, 2009. This is from DP's head of marketing. No word if it's one per physical address or per e-mail. If it's per e-mail, I'm getting like 12 DPs.

[patcooper]

Allow 4-6 weeks for coupon to arrive. . Limit one coupon per person. Full terms and conditions available at www.drpepper.com (http://www.drpepper.com/) .

[Swurgen]

So America gets a free taco thanks to Jason Bartlett and a free Dr. Pepper thanks to Axl Rose. Somebody needs to come up with some kind of free side dish for me.

[ADD]

McDonald's needs to give away free fries now

[Superhuman]

Dr Pepper's site is down haha.

[ADD]

And the Taco Bell taco is from 2-6 p.m. local on Tuesday, Oct. 28. Unless you're gonna freeze that bitch till the Dr. Pepper comes, it's no meal.

[muthastone]

people at my work are "rediscovering" this band. im loving it. it's finally paying off.

[ADD]

what year and what city?

Chicago. Whenever the last tour was. What was that, 2005?

[patcooper]

Chicago. Whenever the last tour was. What was that, 2005?

i heard that show was ok. and it was November 2006, i saw them a few days before in cleveland, when axl threw the eagles of death metal off the tour.

[Cornflake]

Lets have a listen... Yes it is the real thing I saw a commercial advertising it and it was this song playing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQQ5-8ctG4c

[muthastone]

well it looks like the actual album leaked. but its crappy quality. anyone have a link to this?

[patcooper]

well it looks like the actual album leaked. but its crappy quality. anyone have a link to this?


like you said the quality is shit, first 30 seconds are clear the rest have some digital skipping. this link is for 4 songs not the entire cd.

https://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=batch_download&batch_id=Y2ovYUREb0JoeWF4dnc9PQ

[Superhuman]

Scraped is fucking awesome.

This I Love is beautiful. Very Queenish.

Sorry is kinda Pink Floydish. Nothing like that tool Sebastian Bach described it to be.

Catcher in the Rye sounds identical to the leak from a few years ago. Again, it sounds Queenish, which isn't surprising since Brian May worked on the track.

[patcooper]

This i love is amazing.
Sorry kinda reminds me of metallica's unforgiven. i remember baz said it was a lot like November rain but it's not.

[Superhuman]

Sorry kinda reminds me of metallica's unforgiven.
No.

[Archetype]

Yes.

[patcooper]

No.


Heavy drums, axl's deeper voice kinda like in shacklers revenge. it does have a unforgiven feel to it. it should be the second single with a kick ass video.

[ADD]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Lone Wolf]

I haven't listened to one teaser in the 10 years this thing has been teased, I'm either setting myself to be pleasantly surprised or I'm in for some kind of shit sandwhich

[ADD]

15 years

[Superhuman]

I haven't listened to one teaser in the 10 years this thing has been teased, I'm either setting myself to be pleasantly surprised or I'm in for some kind of shit sandwhich
Just set your expectations low.

None of it sounds like the real GNR.

At least half of the album is piano oriented....although I think the songs are quite good.

[ADD]

They're ok as something not GN'R, but for this stuff to be called GN'R is a joke

[Superhuman]

They're ok as something not GN'R, but for this stuff to be called GN'R is a joke
Yea, I agree he should've dropped the GNR name, but do you listen to music because of the name of the band or because of the music?

If you like the music, who cares what the band name is.

I know when the journalists write their reviews for the album, they're gonna base their review on the GNR name and not the music.

[ADD]

No, but I do compare an entire band's catalog on how it measures up. To me, this is not GN'R.

It's like Queen fans who laugh at the album that just came out.

[patcooper]

rollingstone gave the album 4 stars

http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/24024297/review/24161281/chinese_democracy

[TheImpossibleMan]

No, but I do compare an entire band's catalog on how it measures up. To me, this is not GN'R.

It's like Queen fans who laugh at the album that just came out.As a die-hard Queen fan, let me tell you that I don't give a fuck about "The Cosmos Rocks" and am actually a little affronted that they would release a studio album with Rogers under the name Queen. If it ain't got Freddie and John, it isn't Queen.

[Superhuman]

The album has leaked. Some store in Mexico has been selling it all day. Can't wait to get home and check it out.

[ruffdog]

NICE NICE

*orgasms*

[Superhuman]

Damnit, only 8 of the 14 tracks have leaked so far. Some of the best songs haven't leaked yet. It's only a matter of time til the rest of it leaks.

[The Batman]

Damnit, only 8 of the 14 tracks have leaked so far. Some of the best songs haven't leaked yet. It's only a matter of time til the rest of it leaks.

So does that mean what you have heard sucks and that you hope the new stuff is better?
If every single track isn't the best music I have ever heard, fuck this group. Spend that much time, it better be a masterpiece.

[Superhuman]

So does that mean what you have heard sucks and that you hope the new stuff is better?
If every single track isn't the best music I have ever heard, fuck this group. Spend that much time, it better be a masterpiece.
I've heard all of the tracks from previous leaks.


It's my opinion that some of the best tracks are the ones that haven't leaked from the final disc yet.

And it's not the best music you'll ever hear, but it is good.

[Archangel]

David Fricke of rollingstone.com seems to like it (4 out of 5) (http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/24024297/review/24161281/chinese_democracy)

Let's get right to it: The first Guns n' Roses album of new, original songs since the first Bush administration is a great, audacious, unhinged and uncompromising hard-rock record. In other words, it sounds a lot like the Guns n' Roses you know. At times, it's the clenched-fist five that made 1987's perfect storm, Appetite for Destruction; more often, it's the one sprawled across the maxed-out CDs of 1991's Use Your Illusion I and II, but here compressed into a convulsive single disc of supershred guitars, orchestral fanfares, hip-hop electronics, metallic tabernacle choirs and Axl Rose's still-virile, rusted-siren singing.

If Rose ever had a moment's doubt or repentance over what Chinese Democracy has cost him in time (13 years), money (14 studios are listed in the credits) and body count — including the exit of every other founding member of the band — he left no room for it in these 14 songs. "I bet you think I'm doin' this all for my health," Rose cracks through the saturation-bombing guitars in "I.R.S.," one of several glancing references on the album to what he knows a lot of people think of him: that Rose, now 46, has spent the last third of his life running off the rails, in half-light. But when he snaps, "All things are possible/I am unstoppable," in the thumper "Scraped," that's not loony hubris — just a good old rock & roll "fuck you," the kind that made him and the old band hot and famous in the first place.

Something else Rose broadcasts over and over on Chinese Democracy: Restraint is for suckers. There is plenty of familiar guitar firepower — the stabbing-dagger lick that opens the first track, "Chinese Democracy," the sand-devil fuzz in "Riad N' the Bedouins" and the looping squeals over the grand anguish of "Street of Dreams." But what Slash and Izzy Stradlin used to do with two guitars now takes a wall of 'em. On some tracks, Rose has up to five guys — Robin Finck, Buckethead, Paul Tobias, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal and Richard Fortus — riffing and soloing in broad, saw-toothed blurs. And that's no drag. I still think the wild, superstuffed "Oh My God" — the early Chinese Democracy track wasted on the 1999 End of Days soundtrack — beats everything on Guns n' Roses' 1993 covers album, The Spaghetti Incident?

Most of these songs also go through multiple U-turns in personality, as if Rose kept trying new approaches to a hook or a bridge and then decided, "What the hell, they're all cool." "Better" starts with what sounds like hip-hop voicemail — severely pinched guitar, drum machine and a near-falsetto Rose ("No one ever told me when/I was alone/They just thought I'd know better") — before blowing up into vintage Sunset Strip wallop. "If the World" has Buckethead plucking acoustic Spanish guitar over a blaxploitation-film groove, while Rose shows that he still holds a long-breath vowel — part torture victim, part screaming jet — like no other rock singer.

And there is so much going on in "There Was a Time" — strings and Mellotron, a full-strength choir and Rose's overdubbed sour-growl harmonies, wah-wah guitar and a false ending (more choir) — that it's easy to believe Rose spent most of the past decade on that arrangement alone. But it is never a mess, more like a loud mass of bad memories and hard lessons. In the first lines, Rose goes back to a beginning much like his own — "Broken glass and cigarettes/ Writin' on the wall/It was a bargain for the summer/An' I thought I had it all" — then piles on the wreckage along with the orchestra and guitars. By the end, it's one big melt of missing and kiss-off ("If I could go back in time . . . But I don't want to know it now"). If this is the Guns n' Roses that Rose kept hearing in his head all this time, it is obvious why two guitars, bass and drums were never going to be enough.

It is plain, too, that he thinks this Guns n' Roses is a band, as much as the one that recorded "Welcome to the Jungle," "Sweet Child O' Mine," "Used to Love Her" and "Civil War." The voluminous credits that come with Chinese Democracy certainly give detailed credit where it is due. My favorite: "Initial arrangement suggestions: Youth on 'Madagascar." Rose takes the big one — "Lyrics N' Melodies by Axl Rose" — but shares full-song bylines with other players on all but one track. Bassist Tommy Stinson plays on nearly every song, and keyboardist Dizzy Reed, the only survivor from the Illusion lineup, does the Elton John-style piano honors on "Street of Dreams."

But Rose still sings a lot about the power of sheer, solitary will even when he throws himself into a bigger fight, like "Chinese Democracy." In "Madagascar," which Rose has played live for several years now, he samples both Dr. Martin Luther King's "I have a dream" speech and dialogue from Cool Hand Luke. And at the end of the album, on the bluntly titled "Prostitute," Rose veers from an almost conversational tenor, over a ticking-bomb shuffle, to five-guitar barrage, orchestral lightning and righteous howl: "Ask yourself/Why I would choose/To prostitute myself/To live with fortune and shame." To him, the long march to Chinese Democracy was not about paranoia and control. It was about saying "I won't" when everyone else insisted, "You must." You may debate whether any rock record is worth that extreme self-indulgence. Actually, the most rock & roll thing about Chinese Democracy is he doesn't care if you do.

[patcooper]

i think it has leaked. this is from a private torrent site that i use

his seems to be the real deal - hope I'm not duplicating a previous upload.
This is NOT the previously leaked demo's of the songs and the playlist is as described on the Guns N Roses website.......

Directory: Chinese Democracy

Files:
01 Chinese Democracy.mp34.3 MB
02 Shackler's Revenge.mp33.3 MB
03 Better.mp34.5 MB
04 Street Of Dreams.mp34.4 MB
05 If The World.mp34.5 MB
06 There Was A Time.mp36.2 MB
07 Catcher N' The Rye.mp35.4 MB
08 Scraped.mp34.1 MB
09 Riad N' The Bedouins.MP33.4 MB
10 Sorry.mp35.6 MB
11 I.R.S..mp34.1 MB
12 Madagascar.mp35.2 MB
13 This I Love.mp37.6 MB
14 Prostitute.mp35.7 MB

68.38 MB in 14 files.

[SilverBullet]

i think it has leaked. this is from a private torrent site that i use

his seems to be the real deal - hope I'm not duplicating a previous upload.
This is NOT the previously leaked demo's of the songs and the playlist is as described on the Guns N Roses website.......

Directory: Chinese Democracy

Files:
01 Chinese Democracy.mp34.3 MB
02 Shackler's Revenge.mp33.3 MB
03 Better.mp34.5 MB
04 Street Of Dreams.mp34.4 MB
05 If The World.mp34.5 MB
06 There Was A Time.mp36.2 MB
07 Catcher N' The Rye.mp35.4 MB
08 Scraped.mp34.1 MB
09 Riad N' The Bedouins.MP33.4 MB
10 Sorry.mp35.6 MB
11 I.R.S..mp34.1 MB
12 Madagascar.mp35.2 MB
13 This I Love.mp37.6 MB
14 Prostitute.mp35.7 MB

68.38 MB in 14 files.
Got a fucking link?

[patcooper]

Got a fucking link?


it's fake. someone put the 9 leaks from the summer and some other leaks that had skips and AIM sounds in them. edited all those songs to make it seem like the full album but it's not.

[Superhuman]

Got a fucking link?
The torrent he's talking about has songs with skipping throughout the entire song.


There isn't a good quality leak of the whole thing yet.

[patcooper]

The torrent he's talking about has songs with skipping throughout the entire song.


There isn't a good quality leak of the whole thing yet.


there is someone edited the skips and the aim sounds out but you can hear some static in parts of a couple of songs

prostitute no skips http://rapidshare.com/files/164175442/14_Prostitute.mp3.html

[mongo]

i hope patcooper gets hit by a truck full of aidz and dies.

[patcooper]

i hope patcooper gets hit by a truck full of aidz and dies.

is your name jim norton?

[mongo]

is your name jim norton?

no. i just figured the 80's were over about 20 years ago. stfu.

[patcooper]

no. i just figured the 80's were over about 20 years ago. stfu.


both acdc and metallica had huge sales this year. Both were popular rock bands in the 80's and 90's. people want to hear good rock cd's.

[s0bv1ou5lyd3sprt]

Officially leaked.

[ADD]

officially not impressed.

[patcooper]

1. http://www.mediafire.com/?mb2lzijw4iw Chinese Democracy
2. http://www.mediafire.com/?ex1twltrz2m Shackler's Revenge
3. http://www.mediafire.com/?amlydtxzgj2 Better
4. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DDM88KEQ Street Of Dreams
5. http://www.mediafire.com/?mz2kzh0md3o If The World
6. http://www.mediafire.com/?mzyy0ztdyqy There Was A Time
7. http://www.mediafire.com/?zwugygjgmoy Catcher In The Rye
8. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4PAGVFK7 Scraped
9. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6IW1F6EI Riad N' The Bedouins
10. http://www.mediafire.com/?m1nzzizztzd Sorry
11. http://www.mediafire.com/?xwwqbzgz2zz I.R.S.
12. http://www.mediafire.com/?1cjogrrnylr Madagascar
13. http://www.mediafire.com/?zmddbqhydqm This I Love
14. http://www.mediafire.com/?tyg2kn1j13j Prostitute

[Superhuman]

I like all the improvements from the last set of leaks except for Bucket's solo getting replaced by Ron on Riyadh.


Also, the only other thing I don't like is that IRS has remained virtually the same for almost 10 years. I wish Finck would've re-recorded his solo on IRS. I hate the tone of his guitar on that solo.

[noahsdove]

Officially Fail.

[patcooper]

i will bet anything that it will not be a failure. just like i said 2 months ago that the cd will come out thanksgiving week.
gee i guess he'll froze overe cause i got my pre order today.

[mongo]

i will bet anything that it will not be a failure. just like i said 2 months ago that the cd will come out thanksgiving week.
gee i guess he'll froze overe cause i got my pre order today.

your an faggot losser!

[ShitBreak]

Good god that sucked.

I downloaded the whole thing, thinking I'd give it a try. I just deleted it. That's just painful.

[patcooper]

your an faggot losser!


no actually my son likes to pretend he's typing on the keyboard when i'm posting.

[ADD]

i will bet anything that it will not be a failure. just like i said 2 months ago that the cd will come out thanksgiving week.
gee i guess he'll froze overe cause i got my pre order today.

It will do a good first week when anyone gives a shit buys it. Then it will torpedo

[Superhuman]

I agree. I think it'll have a good first 2 weeks and then tank.

[patcooper]

I agree. I think it'll have a good first 2 weeks and then tank.

wow how come that hasn't happened to acdc. they were number 1 for 2 weeks and then number 2? and metallica didn't torpedo either. all 3 have the same audience.

[Archetype]

Same audience? Uh, not really.

[patcooper]

Same audience? Uh, not really.


no? so why when we came out of the acdc concert last week every single car in the parking lot had chinese democracy parking tickets on them? why would they promote their cd at a rock concert? well because the same people at that show were at the guns n roses shows in 2006. and i'll guess that the same people will be at the nassau coliseum to see metallica. so if those people are see the bands live i think they are buying the fucking cd's.

[ADD]

wow how come that hasn't happened to acdc. they were number 1 for 2 weeks and then number 2? and metallica didn't torpedo either. all 3 have the same audience.

Death Magnetic and Black Ice are actually good

[patcooper]

Death Magnetic and Black Ice are actually good

i agree and so is chinese democracy. it's funny how every review i've read has been good, and people in this thread still trash it. first it was the cd was never coming out and didn't exist. then it was the cd will not be number 1 and no cares well obviously your wrong again

Guns N' Roses much anticipated studio album 'Chinese Democracy' has been released online.

The album, which has been fourteen years in the making, is streaming for free on the band's MySpace page.

Such is the demand for the album that the band's music player has already attracted nearly one million plays today alone.

'Chinese Democracy' will be released on November 23rd in the US.

The album, reported to have cost frontman Axl Rose $2million, is only available in Best Buy stores.

It is out in the UK on November 24th. Click HERE to see the tracklisting.

CLICK HERE to see what Guns N' Roses missed during the foureen years it took to make the album.


Source : Gigwise (http://www.gigwise.com/news/47669/Guns-N-Roses-Chinese-Democracy-Playback-Swamped-By-1-Million-Listens)

[ADD]

I wouldn't be shocked if the label is paying for reviews as other bands have in the past.

This album is such a POS for 17 years in the making. It doesn't even sound like GN'R as it is. It's just not good.

[Superhuman]

Pat will you just shut the fuck up already for fuck's sake?

Why do you take it so personally if someone trashes the album? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You act as if you had something to do with the making of the album. You act like you're their publicist.


Ask anyone on this forum......I have a bigger hard on for GNR than you do, but I don't whine like a cunt if someone trashes them. I like the music and that's all that matters. Why do you care what others think? If you like it, then listen to it. That's what's so great about music. It doesn't matter what others think. As long as it pleases you...that's all that matters.

[patcooper]

Pat will you just shut the fuck up already for fuck's sake?

Why do you take it so personally if someone trashes the album? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You act as if you had something to do with the making of the album. You act like you're their publicist.


Ask anyone on this forum......I have a bigger hard on for GNR than you do, but I don't whine like a cunt if someone trashes them. I like the music and that's all that matters. Why do you care what others think? If you like it, then listen to it. That's what's so great about music. It doesn't matter what others think. As long as it pleases you...that's all that matters.


I don't actually take it personally but what bothers me is that people say shit about the band or about the cd thats total bullshit. for instance to say the album will be a failure is total non sense. and that really pisses me off because we all know the cd is already being well received by the critics and the fans.

and let's see i flew around the world several times since 1991 to see the orignal band and now this lineup. i've been to australia, france, japan, to see the band, so yes maybe i do feel as though i have a vested interest, i've met the band members new and old. i know i sound like a stalker but i've seen and met lots of cool people so it's not just the band and the music it's about the life experience that goes with it.

[Superhuman]

I don't actually take it personally but what bothers me is that people say shit about the band or about the cd thats total bullshit.
Why is that bullshit?!

You do know that people are entitled to their own opinion, right? WHY DO YOU FUCKING CARE ABOUT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK?



Sounds like you ARE taking it personally.

[nuclearjew]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081120/ap_on_en_mu/guns_n_roses_dr_pepper

Dr Pepper to deliver on its free-soda promise

LOS ANGELES – Dr Pepper is making good on its promise of free soda now that the release of Guns N' Roses' "Chinese Democracy" is a reality. The soft-drink maker said in March that it would give a free soda to everyone in America if the album dropped in 2008. "Chinese Democracy," infamously delayed since recording began in 1994, goes on sale Sunday.

"We never thought this day would come," Tony Jacobs, Dr Pepper's vice president of marketing, said in a statement. "But now that it's here, all we can say is: The Dr Pepper's on us."

Beginning Sunday at 12:01 a.m., coupons for a free 20-ounce soda will be available for 24 hours on Dr Pepper's Web site. They'll be honored until Feb. 28.

Dr Pepper is owned by Dr Pepper Snapple Group, Inc.

[Black_Sun]

I couldn't care less about the album. I'm more excited about the free Dr. Pepper.

[Superhuman]

20 oz bottles??? Nice!

I thought for sure they would jew us and offer the tiny 8 oz cans instead.

[patcooper]

Why is that bullshit?!

You do know that people are entitled to their own opinion, right? WHY DO YOU FUCKING CARE ABOUT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK?



Sounds like you ARE taking it personally.

not really no. yes i have a passion for music and gnr saved my life back in the 80's but i have not gotten angry "whined or cried" to anyone in this thread about their opinion. i have just shown factually infomation about the release and reviews and the actually songs. i do have acess to alot of info about the band that others do not. and i'm not going further in this thread i'm done talking about this shit.

[Superhuman]

not really no. yes i have a passion for music and gnr saved my life back in the 80's but i have not gotten angry "whined or cried" to anyone in this thread about their opinion. i have just shown factually infomation about the release and reviews and the actually songs. i do have acess to alot of info about the band that others do not. and i'm not going further in this thread i'm done talking about this shit.
lolololol sure


You also have the writing capacity of a 5th grader.

[misterfatt]

gnr saved my life back in the 80's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOL)

[Orestes]

This album is awesome. I can't say enough good things about it. I prematurely judged Axl when I saw him come out with his beer belly and cornrows, the guy looked like a complete dink and sounded like crap. I wrote this off as a waste of time. I was wrong, album of the year for me.

[ADD]

that really pisses me off because we all know the cd is already being well received by the critics and the fans.

So fucking what? People are entitled to their own opinion, not what fucking Rolling Stone (that hasn't been relevant for years) says. Look around the net, listen to some rock radio (I know, you're too cool and rich with your satellite radio to do so) and you'll see that no, not everyone loves it. In fact, most people think it sucks cock if you get out of your little box. Even many long time GN'R fans (including myself) think it is crap.

[patcooper]

well thats your opinion so it doesnt really matter does it but....

The single is currently at #1 on the general charts in the Greek, Norwegian, Portuguese, Spanish, Swedish and Finnish iTunes stores. In addition to being the #1 song and #1 rock song in the above countries, it's the #1 rock song in the iTunes Stores in the USA, Canada, France and the UK.

[ADD]

And your point is? Great it's selling NOW. What were two of the top one week sales so far this year? High School Musical 3 and the Twilight Soundtrack. Are those great?

[patcooper]

And your point is? Great it's selling NOW. What were two of the top one week sales so far this year? High School Musical 3 and the Twilight Soundtrack. Are those great?

i believe lil wayne out sold both above mentioned. he sold over 1 million units in 6 days.
now don't get me wrong I'm sure guns will not sell 1 million units in 8 days. maybe 800,00 and that's great. But thats just my opinion lmao
as far as reviews go from what I've read online has been positive. you say rolling stone is not relevant but name one main stream publication that reviews rock records. Off the top of my head i can name spin magazine and they gave CD 3.5 out of 5.

[ADD]

Blender
Alternative Press
Pitch Fork
Revolver

I'm sure there are more

And the Lil Wayne CD as far as rap goes is good

[patcooper]

i love the wayne cd. it's great driving music. i was just having a conversation with someone about the rolling stone review and do believe that they gave it such a good review so they could be the first publication with the axl rose returns interview and cover.

[Superhuman]

Pat,

SHUT THE FUCK UP.

[Don Scrappy]

Not a good album

[Lone Wolf]

I have no problem with this album other than it took so long to come out. I think a lot of people will hate on it because they might think that they have to. I'll take it for what it is, an overly produced rock album, but it's good to hear some Axl again.

[ADD]

Kanye West > Axl N' Roses. In more than just sales.

[Lone Wolf]

That equation is garbage and wrong. Axl is way > than that bum

[ADD]

Have you heard both? STFU

[patcooper]

I bought both and like both. I also downloaded ludacris and the killers. all 4 cds are good Kanye being the best.

[Lone Wolf]

The problem with Appetite For Destruction is that it was the perfect album. Most bands don't ever get that album and the ones that do rarely do it right out of the gate.

The Use Your Illusions had some great stuff, some just as good as the Appetite tracks, but there was way too much average stuff thrown in the mix which was good back then, but a lot of it doesn't hold up at all now. So, really the Illusions are slightly overrated.


It makes it tough for this album, because everyone feels so strongly about Axl one way or the other and so strongly about GnR's past work that I think it's really hard to just take the new stuff and just hear it for what it is... A pretty nice rock album that most of today's top bands would love to make.

Right now I'm really liking Chinese Democracy, but there's a good chance after a couple dozen more listens I will regard it the same way I regard the new Metallica album, a nice little comeback attempt with a few good tunes but nothing that is going to hold up over time. We'll see.

[Orestes]

The Use Your Illusions had some great stuff, some just as good as the Appetite tracks, but there was way too much average stuff thrown in the mix which was good back then, but a lot of it doesn't hold up at all now. So, really the Illusions are slightly overrated.I won't disagree with you about AFD, it really was full of awesomeness. For a debut, it couldn't have been any better. For UYI, I also agree it was watered down. However, for my own ranking system, if you can hammer out 5 or 6 awesome tracks, you have a great album. Granted, this was two albums but there are at least 14 songs that are awesome, memorable, and up there with the best of GNR. Imagine this:
Live And Let Die
Don't Cry
Perfect Crime
Bad Obsession
November Rain
The Garden
Coma
Civil War
14 years
Yesterdays
Knockin On Heaven's Door
Locomotive
So Fine
You Could Be Mine

THAT is a perfect album.
It makes it tough for this album, because everyone feels so strongly about Axl one way or the other and so strongly about GnR's past work that I think it's really hard to just take the new stuff and just hear it for what it is... A pretty nice rock album that most of today's top bands would love to make.

Right now I'm really liking Chinese Democracy, but there's a good chance after a couple dozen more listens I will regard it the same way I regard the new Metallica album, a nice little comeback attempt with a few good tunes but nothing that is going to hold up over time. We'll see.I had Axl dead and buried when I saw him last on TV with the cornrows and beerbelly. Plus add in that he's the only original member. I didn't think it would stand up. I cast that aside listening to this album though, and it is badass. All the respect I had for Axl's talent is restored. It's obviously not going to stand up against the nostalgia of AFD. It had too big an impact on the music scene at the time. But for the past few years this is one of the best rock albums I've heard. I'm obsessed with it now. We'll see if it stands the test of time.

And as far as Death Magnetic goes, I mostly agree with you. But My Apocalypse is the best song Metallica has written since the Justice album. That will stand the test of time. A fucking gem, man.

[ADD]

Where's pat now?

I've been waiting to say this. Kanye West & Taylor Swift > Axl!

After nearly 17 years in the studio, one truly odd MTV VMA (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1457257/20020829/guns_n_roses.jhtml) appearance, a failed world tour, a riot in Philadelphia, a lot of defensive talk from Sebastian Bach, a leak facilitated by Mike Piazza and DJ Eddie Trunk (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1477813/20030902/guns_n_roses.jhtml), a much-ballyhooed exclusive deal with Best Buy, a lawsuit involving the Offspring (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1470891/20030401/guns_n_roses.jhtml), the apparently empty promise of free Dr Pepper for all, innumerable and mysterious delays, $13 million in reported production costs, a Greatest Hits album, a change in managers, five possible producers, five guitarists, two bassists, three drummers, the invention of the iPod, a guy with a KFC bucket on his head, zero promotion from the album's mastermind, and now, rumors of a potential reunion of the original lineup, Guns N' Roses (http://www.mtv.com/music/artist/guns_n_roses/artist.jhtml)' sixth studio album, Chinese Democracy, (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1600084/20081124/guns_n_roses.jhtml) sold a whopping 261,200 copies its first week on store shelves.
That's right, just 261,200 copies.
Two weeks ago, it seemed like the #1 position on Billboard's weekly albums sales chart could have gone to either Guns or Kanye West (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1599776/20081119/guns_n_roses.jhtml). Chinese Democracy was released on November 23, and West's 808s & Heartbreak (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1597139/20081015/west_kanye.jhtml) dropped November 24. It was a battle that pitted one of hip-hop's biggest stars against one of rock's most enigmatic ringleaders, and in the end, GN'R just couldn't contend.
When Nielsen SoundScan issued the latest national album sales data on Wednesday (December 3), it was West's latest at #1, opening with sales of more than 450,100, leaving the #2 slot wide open for Guns ... or so it seemed. Unfortunately, no one factored country crossover cutie Taylor Swift (http://www.mtv.com/music/artist/swift__taylor/artist.jhtml) into the equation. In its third week out, her new one, Fearless, climbed from #4 to #2, thanks to sales of close to 267,400 — meaning GN'R's first appearance on the chart in close to 20 years will be at #3.
Whether it was to pick up Kanye's new one or Axl Rose's magnum opus, consumers made their presence felt at record retail last week — one of the biggest shopping weeks of the year. Virtually every album in Billboard's Top 200 experienced either increased or stronger sales, with 22 new efforts cracking the chart. Beyond 'Ye and GN'R, two other albums debut in next week's top 10: Ludacris (http://www.mtv.com/music/artist/ludacris/artist.jhtml)' Theater of the Mind bows at #5, selling 213,500 units, with The Killers (http://www.mtv.com/music/artist/killers_the/artist.jhtml)' Day & Age following at #6, scanning 193,400 copies.
Among the other newcomers to next week's chart are Coldplay's Prospekt's March EP, which enters at #15 with 76,700 sold. Entering at #41 with 30,900 scans, is Linkin Park (http://www.mtv.com/music/artist/linkin_park/artist.jhtml)'s Road to Revolution: Live at Milton Keynes. E-40 (http://www.mtv.com/music/artist/e_forty/artist.jhtml)'s Ball Street Journal follows at #42, with sales clocked at 30,400 and change. The Fireman, the moniker given to electronic music experiments created by The Beatles (http://www.mtv.com/music/artist/beatles/artist.jhtml)' Paul McCartney and producer Youth (http://www.mtv.com/music/artist/youth/artist.jhtml), open at #67, selling 17,300 copies of their new one, Electric Arguments, while Paramore (http://www.mtv.com/music/artist/paramore/artist.jhtml)'s live CD/DVD set The Final Riot! comes in at #88 with 12,100 sold.
Kevin Rudolf's In the City bows at #93, with 10,800 copies snatched up, while Linkin Park's Songs from the Underground EP follows at #95, scanning 10,600 copies. Stone Temple Pilots (http://www.mtv.com/music/artist/stone_temple_pilots/artist.jhtml) frontman Scott Weiland (http://www.mtv.com/music/artist/weiland_scott/artist.jhtml)'s new solo offering, Happy in Galoshes, opens at #96, with 10,500 copies sold. Stephen Colbert (http://www.mtv.com/movies/person/269624/personmain.jhtml)'s A Colbert Christmas enters the chart at #119, having sold nearly 8,200 units, while Weezer (http://www.mtv.com/music/artist/weezer/artist.jhtml) frontman Rivers Cuomo's Alone II: The Home Recordings of Rivers Cuomo pops up at #174 with 5,600 sold.

[Orestes]

The pitiful sales of the album is a shock. But sales and billboard charts are in no way an evaluation of talent. If that were the case Britney is among the most talented artists in the world.

[vasili denisov]

As a non-fan and casual listener, the songs I heard were on a par with to a lot of the Use Your Illusion material; most people, though, prefer the pared down hard sound of AfD, and felt UyI was already a move to something more bombastic and away from the best qualities of the band.

I thought it was interesting how consistent the sound was with the UyI material - it's not like Rose copped styles from the past fifteen years in order to say relevant. I thought to myself, maybe he pulled an Elvis, wanted badly to work for the CIA the way Presley wanted to be honourary DEA. He actually finished this album in '94, and all those studio costs were a cover for money funneled to the Falun Gong or some chinese separatist movement, with a choice chunk trimmed off for hos, coke, and surgery.

[patcooper]

Where's pat now?

I've been waiting to say this. Kanye West & Taylor Swift > Axl!

I was on vacation in vegas. And like i said last week, I bought both Kanye and GNR and Kanye is the better of the 2 cd's. I have no idea who Taylor Swift even is. lmao.

[ADD]

She's a hot piece of 18 year old country ass who actually writes her own stuff. Surprisingly, not bad.

http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/7/3/4/4/20254437-20254440-slarge.jpg

[mongo]

if pat says "lmao" one more fucking time, i'm gonna post a vid of me breaking a copy of "appetite for destruction" in half.

[Superhuman]

She's a hot piece of 18 year old country ass who actually writes her own stuff. Surprisingly, not bad.
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I'd love to make a mess on her face.

[redsox39]

wow. a Washed up band get 192 posts? What's Next?

[ADD]

A washed up band debuts at #3?

[Superhuman]

I love how people equate their personal dislike of a band to being washed up.

[patcooper]

A washed up band debuts at #3?

number 3 in the U.S.
but number 1 in the world.

Album Chart
week 50 / 2008 - December 13
the top-selling albums according to global sales figures and national album charts
issue date: December 4, 2008 #1 week 2 Guns n' Roses - Chinese Democracy
Geffen - 640.000 - 1 week at No.1 - Largest Sales Increase
Source(s): http://www.mediatraffic.de/

[ADD]

No one cares about the rest of the world. One of us could get a #1 album in Finland

[patcooper]

Everyone except Kanye West

[Quantum Leap]

I love how people equate their personal dislike of a band to being washed up.
So you're arguing that GnR isn't washed up? Really?

[Lone Wolf]

After listening to this a lot more the song Better is far and away the best song.

[patcooper]

Better, I.R.S and There Was A Time are the 3 best songs on the record.

[winkeraw]

I loved this album!

[yogih27]

No GNR without Slash