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IdiotBrain
10-21-2008, 05:04 AM
I see things like the UNCF, the Hispanic College fund, the NAACP and too many others to list.
Does anyone else seem to think there would be a large outcry if someone were to fund a "United Anglo College Fund" or a "National Association for the Advancement of Anglo People".
Whats with this double standard? White people are no longer the majority in the US. In certain areas, such as mine, white people don't even make up 20% of the population.
http://www.window.state.tx.us/specialrpt/tif/southtexas/demographics.html
Insomniac
10-21-2008, 05:22 AM
Affirmative action: racist, bad
Legacy admissions: totally cool
Meanwhile, white people still control essentially all the reigns of power in American society. You may not be guaranteed power because you're white, but walk into pretty much any country club in the nation and you'll see that reports of the death of racial differences have been greatly exaggerated.
Archangel
10-21-2008, 05:23 AM
Please tell it's not another dupe of that stormfront guy who keeps spamming our boards. And yeah, Fortune magazine is just full of them there n*****s and sp**s.
Archangel
10-21-2008, 06:01 AM
White people want to be banking magnates just as black people want to be record company execs. [/stereotype] It's just when they realise that it actually requires hard work that they start blaming the fact that they're not millionaires on whatever party they think is responsible.
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IdiotBrain
10-21-2008, 06:27 AM
In starting this thread I did not intend it to come off as racist.
Since apparently it did, well... fuck it. Though understand that the majority of my friends are hispanic.
I'm simply trying to open a debate on the subject in order to garner opinions. The truth is 90% or so of my hispanic friends I've discussed this topic with tend to agree with me.
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fuldstændigamok
10-21-2008, 06:48 AM
In starting this thread I did not intend it to come off as racist.
Since apparently it did, well... fuck it. Though understand that the majority of my friends are hispanic.
I'm simply trying to open a debate on the subject in order to garner opinions. The truth is 90% or so of my hispanic friends I've discussed this topic with tend to agree with me.
Yeah, all my Spanish friends don't like dem ******* much, neither.
kid_vidrio
10-21-2008, 06:52 AM
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
In other words, the existence of the groups themselves is not racist in any way.
Your question, if I get it, is 'IF a group formed like "United Anglo College Fund" would the outcry (assuming there was one) be racist. Based on the above definitions, and given that whitey, as has been pointed out, still dominates pretty convincingly, the answer would be a resounding no.
In addition, there are groups like that, but they go by other names. There are funds and trusts and scholarships and networks whose efforts primarily benefit white folk but were founded when there were only white folk to consider so the idea of centering the name around the color of one's skin was ludicrous.
It is a convenient thing to whine about though as many people are equally ignorant about the definition of race, racism, and social imbalance in the US today. The fact that you are 'out-numbered' or not the majority doesn't mean that 5million people commanding 30million people in South Africa didn't smack of something 'racist.' It's about control and opportunity, not population size or density.
Yeah, all my Spanish friends don't like dem ******* much, neither.
The French are racist too! Look at their flag for proof.
http://tammisworld.mu.nu/archives/white_flag.gif
Archangel
10-21-2008, 06:58 AM
So what are you complaining about, exactly? That white people are losing their rightful control over America? That they're not rich enough, not powerful enough anymore? It's funny, because with all the brouhaha over the banking crisis, each and every one of the hundreds of the faces of the people running your country's politics and finances was WHITE.
If poor white people in America are jealous of silver-spoon rich white people who get a free pass to wealth and power, they should find somebody else to blame for their lot than those who have an even worse shot at ever reaching those levels. I mean, seriously, just how many black people and Hispanics get into, say, NYU or HBS through affirmative action, compared to, say, white people who get admitted because their daddy graduated from there?
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fuldstændigamok
10-21-2008, 07:16 AM
Limp: Being useless and unfunny at GMF since 2007.
IdiotBrain
10-21-2008, 07:18 AM
I did not intend this thread as a commentary on anything power related.
I got good grades in school, but not good enough to garner a full ride scholarship anywhere. My parents did not make enough money to send me to anything other than a community college or technical school. I have friends with parents in the same social bracket, who got just about the same GPA. Many of these friends are able to attend Universities that I was also accepted to simply because the color of their skin warranted them access to scholarships and grants that I could not get.
I started this thread with the intention of finding out your opinions on what the reaction would be by the public if a similar scholarship fund or grant were started with only anglo students in mind.
I realize in the original post I was fairly unclear about this, and my inclusion of the NAACP was fairly arbitrary. My apologies.
Limp: Being useless and unfunny at GMF since 2007.
Limp: At least he isn't the French guy.
Archangel
10-21-2008, 07:21 AM
I started this thread with the intention of finding out your opinions on what the reaction would be by the public if a similar scholarship fund or grant were started with only anglo students in mind.
How the fuck would I know? I'm neither white nor American; I am, however, a silver spoon rich kid whose old man is friends with half the humanities department of several universites.
How the fuck would I know? I'm neither white nor American; I am, however, a silver spoon rich kid whose old man is friends with half the humanities department of several universites.
So THAT's why you're still in school.
kid_vidrio
10-21-2008, 07:28 AM
So THAT's why you're still in school.
Beer, college girls, arbitrary hours, college girls, and a sense that the world is your oyster....I'd still be in school if I could be.
Archangel
10-21-2008, 07:29 AM
So THAT's why you're still in school.
Actually, if things work out, I'll be in school until I'm 70.
Archangel
10-21-2008, 07:30 AM
Beer, college girls, arbitrary hours, college girls, and a sense that the world is your oyster....I'd still be in school if I could be.
College girls are great and all, but my college girl would have my nuts if I fucked around on her.
Except Alicia Keys. Her, she wants a threesome with.
Except Alicia Keys. Her, she wants a threesome with.
Dark pussy, white pussy, and an asain pussy.
HAWT!
kid_vidrio
10-21-2008, 07:57 AM
I started this thread with the intention of finding out your opinions on what the reaction would be by the public if a similar scholarship fund or grant were started with only anglo students in mind.
I realize in the original post I was fairly unclear about this, and my inclusion of the NAACP was fairly arbitrary. My apologies.
I see things like the UNCF, the Hispanic College fund, the NAACP and too many others to list.
I got good grades in school, but not good enough to garner a full ride scholarship anywhere.
You are either started off inflamatory and have backed off (pussy) or your critical thinking/writing skills are radically lacking (ignoramus) considering you claim to be in college.
I think your school tuition could be better used to buy me beer.
vasili denisov
10-21-2008, 07:57 AM
I see things like the UNCF, the Hispanic College fund, the NAACP and too many others to list.
Does anyone else seem to think there would be a large outcry if someone were to fund a "United Anglo College Fund" or a "National Association for the Advancement of Anglo People".
Whats with this double standard? White people are no longer the majority in the US. In certain areas, such as mine, white people don't even make up 20% of the population.
I'm not sure what is being proposed here; a scholarship is given out of private funds; those funds are unrestricted by any civil rights laws. Should a group of white people like to pool their money that would give out scholarships exclusively to white people they could do so. There are scholarships exclusive to irish and jews, two groups that are occasionally, exclusively, white. I don't believe they've caused any controversy.
In terms of the practical matter of scholarships available to others that are not available to you, a scholarship available exclusively to latinos or blacks will have fewer applicants if applicants are proportional to national population. A scholarship available exclusively to whites would have a much larger group of applicants (again, if applicants are proportional to population); if you failed to receive a scholarship that was not race-based, you'd still be competing with 70% of the same applicants with a whites only scholarship. Other race-exclusive scholarships benefit whites, since those who receive those won't be in competition for wide open scholarships, bringing it closer to a competition between the remaining 70% of the population; whether you would win one against more exclusively white competition is an open question.
chipsahoy
10-21-2008, 08:06 AM
I live in a 100 house community and of those 100 house only 4 are black families.
You have
Mary J. Blige - 1 of the best RB singers.
Jay-Z - 1 of the best Rappers.
Eddie Murphy - 1 of the funniest actors.
Me - I like to think I do well as a comedian.
My fucking neighbor is a dentist. Not the best dentist in the world just a fucking dentist. If my neighbor was a black dentist he would have to have invited Teeth in order to live in my neighborhood.
Point being your thread is racist, you may not have intended it to be, but it is. Like its been pointed out to you, white america still owns the majority of power roles in america. To say you were not eligible for grants or scholarships because you are white is retarded. You were not eligible because your ass was lazy. You might not have gotten the same scholarship your non-white friends got, but you could of still gotten some scholarships they couldnt have gotten either because they were not white.
2004 White only Scholarship
http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/02/15/whites.only.ap/
Somewhat of a follow up to the above "white only" scholarship
http://www.discriminations.us/2004/02/more_on_white_scholarships.html
More information on white only scholarships.
http://www.collegescholarships.org/scholarships/white-scholarship-guide.htm
Morfin
10-21-2008, 08:06 AM
I see things like the UNCF, the Hispanic College fund, the NAACP and too many others to list.
Does anyone else seem to think there would be a large outcry if someone were to fund a "United Anglo College Fund" or a "National Association for the Advancement of Anglo People".
Whats with this double standard? White people are no longer the majority in the US. In certain areas, such as mine, white people don't even make up 20% of the population.
http://www.window.state.tx.us/specialrpt/tif/southtexas/demographics.html
TFB -- TOO FUCKING BAD
That's the way it is.
"But it's a double standard..." he whines. You're right. So, what?
"But it's not fair..." he continues to whine. You're right. So, what?
That's life. Get over it. Yes, black people can call white people crackers and make fun of our lack of dancing skills. Is that racist? Yes.
Black people can call each other ******, but if a white person does it, he's a racist. Is that fair? No.
I live in a metropolitan area where the main city is mainly black, and the government is mainly black. I have lost out on getting retained for legal matters because I am not black. Yeah, it sucks. Yeah, it's a double standard because if the reverse happened there would be hell to pay.
In my the small area of law that I practice, most of the people who hire attorneys for their businesses are women. They retain mainly women, so being a man is a disadvantage. Yeah, it sucks, but that is the way it is.
So, yeah, you're right. It's racist or sexist and there is a double standard. You've done a fine job telling us the obvious. It is not fair and yes, I and some other white males are bearing the brunt for crap people 20, 40, 60, 100 years ago pulled against blacks and women.
Now, when you're done whining and have wiped the tears from your eyes, look yourself in the mirror and tell yourself the following: STOP BEING A PUSSY AND GET OVER IT.
Archangel
10-21-2008, 08:50 AM
You want to look at some whingey bitches, look no further than the Muslims in my country.
Here, high school education is FREE. Public high schools are actually pretty good. University education costs next to nothing, and student loans are abundant and cheap.
Yet, the ones who don't even bother to learn the language or the laws are the ones complaining about how "the government" and "society", being racist, don't give them a fair chance. Fuck you. YOUR DADDY didn't give you a fair chance when he sent you to fucking Qur'an school because high school was for "rich infidels".
It's funny how you NEVER hear Latin American, Greek, Italian, Asian or East European immigrants complain about this shit. There are more Muslim immigrants, especially Turks, in this country than all others put together: Yet every day at university, I see far more Chinese or Russian people than Turks.
Maybe, just maybe, those people aren't lazy fucking parasites? Maybe they came here to study and get a degree and make a good life for themselves, and not just suckle on our welfare teat?
Maybe they don't need to complain because our system actually is fair and just?
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IdiotBrain
10-21-2008, 03:57 PM
My speaking of not getting the scholarship personally was more to clarify to Arch for one of his earlier posts.
I'm not complaining about my situation. I have a good enough job and a good enough life. If I hadn't smoked weed every day of highschool I probably would have gotten a 3.9 instead of a 3.1. My fault.... would I change it? Nope, never. I stopped going to college because I got a good job offer doing what I like, working with my hands.
I wanted this to be a discussion on why there seemed to be "minority only" college funds and not so for white only. So THANK YOU chipsahoy, for pointing that out to me. I'd never heard of that before.
IdiotBrain
10-21-2008, 04:06 PM
ARCH: I hear people from Mexico complain about having to learn English just about every day. Where I live it's not Muslims, it's Mexicans who want America to publish government documents in Spanish as well as English.
It's the same everywhere, just not always with the same group of people. I lived in central Texas for a year, just southwest of Austin.... right next to the single most racist shit eating dicksucks I've ever seen. Imagine a 4 year old child seeing a black fellow walking his black lab down the road and yelling "HEY DADDY LOOKIT THAT ****** WALKIN HIS ****** DOG!!!" and for the father to turn around and say "HAW HAW THATS MUH BOY!".
Honestly, racism sickens me in all forms. This thread has gone completely off what I ever intended it to be. [yes, my original post was not what I intended it to be, however it was at 3am. So fuck me.]
vasili denisov
10-21-2008, 04:09 PM
I wanted this to be a discussion on why there seemed to be "minority only" college funds and not so for white only. So THANK YOU chipsahoy, for pointing that out to me. I'd never heard of that before.
I didn't intend my previous post to a slam against you; legally, scholarships involve private money, so the sponsors can make whatever restrictions they want. The practical problem with such a scholarship for trying for school aid is that whites still constitute the majority of the population in the US (70%) - so the pool of applicants you'll be going against will be close to that of a scholarship without racial restrictions.
The advantage in being a minority when competing for a minority scholarship lies in just that - you're a minority of the population, so only 10-20% of the population is possible competition.
Mustard
10-21-2008, 04:10 PM
To everyone: It isn't racist to be mad at lazy, ignorant people who are unwilling to assimilate into the culture of the land.
I see things like the UNCF, the Hispanic College fund, the NAACP and too many others to list.
Does anyone else seem to think there would be a large outcry if someone were to fund a "United Anglo College Fund" or a "National Association for the Advancement of Anglo People".
Whats with this double standard? White people are no longer the majority in the US. In certain areas, such as mine, white people don't even make up 20% of the population.
http://www.window.state.tx.us/specialrpt/tif/southtexas/demographics.html
By the technical definition of racism they are obviously all racist. However do you really not see the difference between helping advance people of a certain race out of poverty and just a "United Anglo College Fund"? It'd be better as just the "United Lower Class College Fund", sure, but it was founded in a time of truly heated racism to combat it (so naturally now in the light of day looks rather extreme the other way).
IdiotBrain
10-21-2008, 04:46 PM
I would be enthralled to see a "United Lower Class College Fund."
taters
10-21-2008, 05:11 PM
The national association for the advancement of anglo people =
The United States Government, and all its ensuing corporations and institutions.
Its funny, white people cry racist when they see shit like BET, historically black colleges or the NAACP, but forget WHY those institutions had to come to existence in the first place. Namely because historically the only place african americans could get support from was ourselves, the only way they could go to college in segregated and racist america is by establishing our own schools, the only way we could see ourselves on television and not following some ignorant white stereotype was having our own channel (well, it eventually evolved back into that, but it didnt start that way).
White people may be the minority, but they sure as hell aint losing any power over the areas where they are. I grew up in a city that was about 80% hispanic, 10% white and 10% black, and you bet your ass all the high paying jobs, the nicest parts of town, and the best schools where 100% white.
This 'poor white people' BS is getting out of country. As Chris rock said
"The white man thinks hes losing the country....if you losing, whos winning? It sure the fuck aint us!"