The Conspiracy Thread

[Mustard]

Let us all have an entire thread devoted to every psychotic and crazy conspiracy theory out there. Whether it be sport related, politics related, business related, mafia related, whatever, this is the place to post your kooky and weird theories that people are out to get you.

With that said, thanks to Hatepoppy for the idea, and I would just like to say that I think there is a conspiracy to water down all of the skim milk even more than it should be because that shit keeps tasting worse and worse.

[Archetype]

Bobby McFerrin raped my grandmother.

[Mustard]

That isn't a conspiracy theory... everybody knows that!

[Morfin]

I agree that we need this thread. However, the problem is that none of the nutjobs advocating the conspiracies (i.e. Yelram, Yelram, Yelram) acknowledge or agree that their theories are "kooky and weird."

[Mustard]

I agree that we need this thread. However, the problem is that none of the nutjobs advocating the conspiracies (i.e. Yelram, Yelram, Yelram) acknowledge or agree that their theories are "kooky and weird."
Well then let them come and air out their theories here, and we shall judge them accordingly.

[hatepoppy]

Alright Sink - where to begin?

some pets of mine are (obviously) 911, CIA, world government, and the like. But i can go anywhere. reptilian overlords? ancient astronauts? deep underground military bases? CFR? trilateral commision? pick a card, any card. kennedy assassination? lets roll.

[Archetype]

Reptilian overlords, those are like the guys that command the grays, right?

[AJ]

I'm fairly sure that everyone is out to get me













into the sack. awwwwww yeah.

[hatepoppy]

Reptilian overlords, those are like the guys that command the grays, right?
not so much command - a particular faction of greys long ago sided with the reptilians in the galactic wars, and are now in a form of indetured service to the reptilians. for the most part, greys are well-intentioned or indifferent. they are, in fact, descendent from the same ancient civilization as humans, though separated by vast expanses of time and space, both generationally and dimensionally.

[Claydon]

I have a firm belief that US automakers in total league with the oil companies. Hence the gas guzzling pieces of shit they have been cranking out for 15 years.

[Mustard]

Illuminati...

GO!

[hatepoppy]

I have a firm belief that US automakers in total league with the oil companies. Hence the gas guzzling pieces of shit they have been cranking out for 15 years.All auto makers are owned by energy conglomerates. believe that.

[Claydon]

All auto makers are owned by energy conglomerates. believe that.

even the auto makers that pump out cars that get 50-75mpg?

[Archetype]

not so much command - a particular faction of greys long ago sided with the reptilians in the galactic wars, and are now in a form of indetured service to the reptilians. for the most part, greys are well-intentioned or indifferent. they are, in fact, descendent from the same ancient civilization as humans, though separated by vast expanses of time and space, both generationally and dimensionally.
Greys evolved from dolphins or the dolphin genus, right? I think the word starts with a t, but I can't think of it.

[Hodge]

even the auto makers that pump out cars that get 50-75mpg?
They still run on gas, don't they?

[hatepoppy]

Illuminati...

GO!

Ah, the illuminati. but a magician's wand. Some modern conspiracy theorists like david icke contend that the illuminati persist to this day, but i disagree. The illuminati originated as a bavarian sect of antiestablishmentarian thinkers in the late 1700s. they had a broad, notable membership (my favorite of which being johann wolfgang von goethe) across most of europe. Their free-thinking philosophy led some to believe they played a part in fertilizing the revolutions in france and the states, and attempting even more. this, from what i have read, is mere speculation. The organized membership lasted less than 20 years, by virtually all accounts.

one thing that is known is that the bavarian illuminati funcioned similarly to the modern freemasons, with several orders of mastery and layers of secrecy and ritualism.

i've heard the speculation that members of the illuminati joined the freemasons and remained organized therein, as a form of secret society inside a secret society, an elite of the elite. this is certainly a romantic notion.

Let me ask you this; if one is in an ultraelite secret society, how likely is that person to conspire with a small group of peers to elevate themselves above the whole? it is, in fact what theyve already effectively done, by joining a secret society - so it's no leap to think there are many groups and secrets within any secret society, as a simple inevitability.

back to my comparison of the illuminati with a magician's wand. a wizard waves his wand to force you to focus on it. this keeps your attention away from the slight of his other hand.

in this same fashion, i feel the true elite are allowing things like the freemasons and illuminati to keep the nuts focus on an illusion. i bet they giggle at how much time people spend making entire films and books about the dark secrets of the freemaasons. if someone in the masons was trying to keep secrets, they wouldnt be drawing the public attention garnered by nicholas cage movies and history channel documentaries.

the truly secret society is exactly that. a few family names have clued the masses in on a handful of these global slaveowners, but we will never know exactly who it is that owns us. one thing is certain - our owners also own the media.

everything we know, our entire perception of ourselves and the world, is a product of media programming.

related topics:
Freemasons
CFR
IMF
Bilderbergs

[hatepoppy]

Greys evolved from dolphins or the dolphin genus, right? I think the word starts with a t, but I can't think of it.dolphins are beautiful beings outside my own expertise. i know greys, however, are not descendent form them. you and i are fare closer genetically to greys than dolphins, or chimpanzees for that matter.

[hatepoppy]

even the auto makers that pump out cars that get 50-75mpg?that's just catering to every demographic. nothing more than marketing.

[Archetype]

What was the name of the group of bankers who "wanted" to start a NWO?

[hatepoppy]

What was the name of the group of bankers who "wanted" to start a NWO?i dont know that it was exclusively bankers, but the bilderbergs have long advocated world govt. notable bankers would be jp morgan, or the rothschildes.

i wont say for sure i know what you mean, bc groups of bankers wanting to start a new world order (or, as bush calls it, 'a new order of the ages') are a dime a dozen. all those in power want a world government. well, there is already a shadow world government, it's just they want it out in the open.

[Lone Wolf]

Flu shots are the governments way to test things on you

[NOTKyle]

David Stern theories are my favorite.

-"Frozen envelope" theory that Stern manufactured the Knicks getting Ewing in 1985's first ever NBA Draft.

Watch him throw the Knicks envelope into the ball:

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-Jordan didn't want to retire in 1993, David Stern made him so that the league wouldn't take the PR hit when he suspended him for gambling on Bulls games.

Discuss.

[Archetype]

No.

[hatepoppy]

those arent conspiracies. those are facades.

[NOTKyle]

those arent conspiracies. those are facades.

How are they not conspiracies? It's an administration covering something up from the public.

[hatepoppy]

How are they not conspiracies? It's an administration covering something up from the public.
it's like saying the wwe is a conspiracy.

its entertainment. its a script. it might be a lie to put on airs of legitimacy, but its nothing more than tradition. its all just entertainment.

talk to me if you hear michael jordan shot jfk.

[Claydon]

i shot jfk...pre natal

[hatepoppy]

i shot jfk...pre natal
youre too yellow-bellied, green, and incompetent to have pulled it off.

[Claydon]

youre too yellow-bellied, green, and incompetent to have pulled it off.

or am I?!

[hatepoppy]

or am I?!
in this case, the simplest answer is the best. yes.

[NOTKyle]

it's like saying the wwe is a conspiracy.

its entertainment. its a script. it might be a lie to put on airs of legitimacy, but its nothing more than tradition. its all just entertainment.

talk to me if you hear michael jordan shot jfk.

The WWE has never claimed to be a legitimate professional sport. Just because nobody died and it wasn't political doesn't discount something as a conspiracy theory.

It's a theory, about a conspiracy.

[Claydon]

in this case, the simplest answer is the best. yes.

I do get flu shots, perhaps the government has been injecting me with alien dna to make me stronger, faster!

[hatepoppy]

its the same idea as government. just as there will be no democracy in a monetary based economy, as long as sports is a business, it will not be legitimate.

[Archetype]

or am I?!
Origami?

[NOTKyle]

its the same idea as government. just as there will be no democracy in a monetary based economy, as long as sports is a business, it will not be legitimate.

Politics is a business, so no conspiracy is a conspiracy theory under your standards.

[Bastard]

Walmart will eventually change it’s name to Cyberdyne Systems Corporation and not only give us skynet but affordable entertainment, snack treats and tube socks.

[The GWD]

Now that's a termination I can deal with.

[Archetype]

Politics is a business, so no conspiracy is a conspiracy theory under your standards.

Politics is about power not money, so it isn't really business.

[Mustard]

Walmart will eventually change it’s name to Cyberdyne Systems Corporation and not only give us skynet but affordable entertainment, snack treats and tube socks.
Thats a sound judgment with a good chronicle I can flying robots with lasers.

[Bastard]

Thats a sound judgment with a good chronicle I can flying robots with lasers.

I’m not sure what you meant by that but I like that you agreed with me and the robot with lasers part. Have a free glazed ham.

[Mustard]

I’m not sure what you meant by that but I like that you agreed with me and the robot with lasers part. Have a free glazed ham.
Well well, don't mind if I do...

[hatepoppy]

Politics is a business, so no conspiracy is a conspiracy theory under your standards.i spoke not of the requirements of a conspiracy. my statement was simply that sports were entertainment, and any semblance of legitimacy is a strokejob. just like all other forms of entertainment. its a big reality show.

its not that there cant be sports conspiracies. its just really shallow to argue simple, transparent lies and cover ups. you covered the entirety of your 'conspiracy theories' in one statement apiece. stern rigged the draft for the knicks so they get ewing. stern coerced jordan into retirement to avoid a public suspension and the associated scandal.

happy? now that you and i have both said it, i think those 'conspiracies' (or put more simply, just lies) are tapped for discussion purposes. i'll throw one in while we're at it. SELIG CONSPIRED TO IGNORE STEROIDS IN BASEBALLZ BC ITS GOOD FOR BUSINESS! beware!

[NOTKyle]

I don't believe that drug companies create new diseases like many conspiracy theorists believe (ADD, ADHD, AIDS), but there's a good chance they have no real reason to find a cure for cancer, aids, etc. Gotta improve that profit margin.

[Deadhead Derek]

Politics is about power not money, so it isn't really business.
righhht

[Mustard]

I don't believe that drug companies create new diseases like many conspiracy theorists believe (ADD, ADHD, AIDS), but there's a good chance they have no real reason to find a cure for cancer, aids, etc. Gotta improve that profit margin.
The motive for profit motivates managers to look for more ways to improve and grow profits. Finding cure-alls would wreck profits, therefore are not in favor. Progress is happening slower because of profit motive than it really could, but hey, until a new economic system were to be implemented that is better than one that instils profit motive, then its the best we can do.

[Da Raider]

not so much command - a particular faction of greys long ago sided with the reptilians in the galactic wars, and are now in a form of indetured service to the reptilians. for the most part, greys are well-intentioned or indifferent. they are, in fact, descendent from the same ancient civilization as humans, though separated by vast expanses of time and space, both generationally and dimensionally.

how the hell can reptialians have a great civilization? The yare cold blooded and in deep space, they would be rendered too tired and cold to dominate and enslave anyone. Sheesh.

[hatepoppy]

how the hell can reptialians have a great civilization? The yare cold blooded and in deep space, they would be rendered too tired and cold to dominate and enslave anyone. Sheesh.how shortsighted are you today? is it too unimagineable that a species sophisticated enough to traverse galaxies cant figure out space heaters (pun intended)?

keep in mind that you are basing your opinion of these 'reptilians' on your knowledge of terran reptiles. understand that we refer to these beings as 'reptilians' simply because that is the closest thing in appearance in our experience. they, too, are more genetically similar to you and i than they are to iguanas and komodo dragons.

to put a name on them based on galactic geography, you'd have to call them draconian, as they are purported to be from alpha draconis, a system in the Draco constellation. I've heard of them being referred to as annunaki or nephilim, though descriptions of the annunaki/nephelim are partially in conflict with the those of the draconians.

[Da Raider]

how shortsighted are you today? is it too unimagineable that a species sophisticated enough to traverse galaxies cant figure out space heaters (pun intended)?

keep in mind that you are basing your opinion of these 'reptilians' on your knowledge of terran reptiles. understand that we refer to these beings as 'reptilians' simply because that is the closest thing in appearance in our experience. they, too, are more genetically similar to you and i than they are to iguanas and komodo dragons.

to put a name on them based on galactic geography, you'd have to call them draconian, as they are purported to be from alpha draconis, a system in the Draco constellation. I've heard of them being referred to as annunaki or nephilim, though descriptions of the annunaki/nephelim are partially in conflict with the those of the draconians.

It's obvious to me that you are plant put here by the Borg who are using you to confuse the populace and distract them from the fact that the entire Borg Army is hiding the opposite side of Mars. Plotting and waiting to assimilate us all.

[Mustard]

The Reptilians would be easy to defeat in batlle with those sweet liquid nitrogen sprayers they had in Predator 2.

[hatepoppy]

It's obvious to me that you are plant put here by the Borg who are using you to confuse the populace and distract them from the fact that the entire Borg Army is hiding the opposite side of Mars. Plotting and waiting to assimilate us all.
the borg? who are you, FACE?

[Ace Rockola]

The Reptilians would be easy to defeat in batlle with those sweet liquid nitrogen sprayers they had in Predator 2.

Of course, Busey would have to head up the research on said reptilians.

[Da Raider]

the borg? who are you, FACE?

you can't fool me! Someone stop him before it's too late!

THEY ARE COMING! THEY ARE COMING TO DESTROY US ALL!!!

*craps pants*

*flings filth filled pants at potted plant mistakenly thought to be a borg*

[hatepoppy]

The Reptilians would be easy to defeat in batlle with those sweet liquid nitrogen sprayers they had in Predator 2.
pretty sure liquid nitrogen would have the same effect on mammals.

[hatepoppy]

you can't fool me! Someone stop him before it's too late!

THEY ARE COMING! THEY ARE COMING TO DESTROY US ALL!!!

*craps pants*

*flings filth filled pants at potted plant mistakenly thought to be a borg*
if theyre coming for neone here its me.

*shoots raderz*

GOTCHA BETCH!

[Mustard]

pretty sure liquid nitrogen would have the same effect on mammals.
You know what? Fuck you, and your logic!

[hatepoppy]

You know what? Fuck you, and your logic!even when the truth is undeniably illogical, a logical defense is impenetrable.

[Da Raider]

even when the truth is undeniably illogical, a logical defense is impenetrable.

Oggie would refute your previous statement by not giving a fuck.

[Mustard]

even when the truth is undeniably illogical, a logical defense is impenetrable.
He who has the ability to have will fare better than he who has not the ability to not have, not.

[hatepoppy]

He who has the ability to have will fare better than he who has not the ability to not have, not.you are only free if you realize youre a slave; you are only a slave if you believe you are free.

[Mustard]

you are only free if you realize youre a slave; you are only a slave if you believe you are free.
Oh let the sun beat down upon my face, stars to fill my dream
I am a traveler of both time and space, to be where I have been

[hatepoppy]

Oh let the sun beat down upon my face, stars to fill my dream
I am a traveler of both time and space, to be where I have been
every time i move, every step i make you know i just cant seem to take
the right direction
im always wrong im never right - right or wrong there always seems to
be a correction.

[hatepoppy]

Oggie would refute your previous statement by not giving a fuck.
i will karate chop oggie in the ever-fucking taint.

[Mustard]

every time i move, every step i make you know i just cant seem to take
the right direction
im always wrong im never right - right or wrong there always seems to
be a correction.
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

[hatepoppy]

when a man lies, he murders some part of the world
these are the pale deaths that men miscall their lives
all this i cannot take any longer
will not the kingdom of salvation take me home?

[Archetype]

when a man lies, he murders some part of the world
these are the pale deaths that men miscall their lives
all this i cannot take any longer
will not the kingdom of salvation take me home?
Cliff Burton is up there playing for Jesus.

[VoxAngelikus]

I like this one:

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[NOTKyle]

I don't know how to argue with someone that really honestly truly believes that 9/11 was created and caused by the government. They spit these fucking facts about jet fuel burning at a lower temperature than kerosene, and how buildings built with the same materials as the towers have been proven to burn for days without toppling. They argue that the government is owned and run by business', and that said bussineses could only profit from the inevitable war in Iraq.

I DON'T HAVE THE FACTS DAMMIT

[RedBEARD]

Anyone who thinks our government isn't responsible for things on a daily basis that most people believe would be reserved only for the likes of terrorist organizations is kidding themselves.</Mulder>

[NOTKyle]

I absolutely believe that the government has blood all over its hands, and that they're completely capable of creating an event of that magnitude, I just don't believe that any organization that large would actually be arrogant to think they could get away with it. Wouldn't that cause a paper trail miles long? Wouldn't it eventually come out on someones death bed?

[hatepoppy]

immortal technique = teh secks

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[hatepoppy]

I absolutely believe that the government has blood all over its hands, and that they're completely capable of creating an event of that magnitude, I just don't believe that any organization that large would actually be arrogant to think they could get away with it. Wouldn't that cause a paper trail miles long? Wouldn't it eventually come out on someones death bed?

that requires the assumption that these people have a conscience. if they did, they wouldnt have 'folllowed orders.'

"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." J. Edgar Hoover (you know, the founder of teh FBI)

[RedBEARD]

I absolutely believe that the government has blood all over its hands, and that they're completely capable of creating an event of that magnitude, I just don't believe that any organization that large would actually be arrogant to think they could get away with it. Wouldn't that cause a paper trail miles long? Wouldn't it eventually come out on someones death bed?When you've been doing it as long as they have, the acts become commonplace, so it's not as much arrogance as it is expectation. And you're right, someone could find out eventually what's actually gone on - but it would be decades later, and even if the argument they made was as logical as could be the simpleton masses would accept that our government acted in our best interests.

[hatepoppy]

When you've been doing it as long as they have, the acts become commonplace, so it's not as much arrogance as it is expectation. And you're right, someone could find out eventually what's actually gone on - but it would be decades later, and even if the argument they made was as logical as could be the simpleton masses would accept that our government acted in our best interests.

it's the reason behind bipartisanship, and the 2/ 4yrelection cycle. all the people want is accountability, and the prospect of change on teh horizon. by providing an illusion of flexibility and accountability, it doesnt matter if they get caught. the illusion is reality to the people, regardless of the fact that a handful are SCREAMING IN THE SHEEPS'z FACES.

[hatepoppy]

TELL DA TROOF, *****!

[hatepoppy]

“Very soon, every American will be required to register their biological property in a national system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will effect our security as a chargeback for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer being unable to work and earn a living. They will be our chattel, and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions. Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, forever to remain economic slaves through taxation, secured by their pledges. They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two should figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debt to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap to us huge profits beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor to this fraud which we will call “Social Insurance.” Without realizing it, every American will insure us for any loss we may incur and in this manner, every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and, we will employ the high office of the President of our dummy corporation to foment this plot against America.” — Edward Mandell House, Founder of Council on Foreign Relations and promoter of League of Nations, said to Woodrow Wilson 1913

[hatepoppy]

“The few who can understand the system will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favors, that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of the people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantages that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests.” –Mayer Amschel Rothschild

[hatepoppy]

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace in a continual state of alarm (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing them with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” –H. L. Mencken

[Archetype]

You try telling my dead grampa that hobgoblins aren't real.

[hatepoppy]

You try telling my dead grampa that hobgoblins aren't real.hows bout i shit in ur cereal, chuck?

[hatepoppy]

“For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as “internationalists” and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.” –David Rockefeller, "Memoirs" autobiography (2002, Random House publishers), page 405

[Trident]

Whilst I fully believe in the Moon landings and all the amazing things NASA has done, these pictures got me thinking a bit. Here we have Gordon Cooper and Pete Conrad on Gemini 5, the first picture at the launchpad and the second on deck after recovery. Is it me, or is there the same person in both pictures (except for Cooper and Conrad)?

Look at the guy on the right in the hardhat in picture one, and the guy to the right of them in the second one standing to attention. I think that's the same person, or his twin.

I'm sure there is a good explanation for this, but anyway....


Picture 1:
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Picture 2:
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[hatepoppy]

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[hatepoppy]

i totally <3 this one.

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[Trident]

He's found out our plan. He must die.

[hatepoppy]

and for a little comic relief -

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[hatepoppy]

“The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining super capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control… Do I mean conspiracy? Yes, I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent.” –Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets.

[hatepoppy]

srsly. pay attenion to this one, and where it came from.

Be bold. We want your team to work like tireless bloodhounds. Don't leave any stone unturned in your search to root out inefficiency.

reagan commissioned a congressional report to uncover governmental spending inefficiency. funny thing is, while dickloads of inefficiency was uncovered, no single recommendation made was adopted by congress.

"With two-thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal debt and by Federal Government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their Government." - President's Private Sector Survey on Cost Control, A Report to the President (aka Grace Commission Report, January 15, 1984)

[hatepoppy]

not exactly a conspiracy flick, but def a must for someone looking to actually think about what's going on around them.

The Story of Stuff (http://www.storyofstuff.com/)

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[redsox39]

not exactly a conspiracy flick, but def a must for someone looking to actually think about what's going on around them.

The Story of Stuff (http://www.storyofstuff.com/)

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I didn't know this was possible, but I think I am dumber for having watched this...for 2 minutes...

20 minutes of that? sounds like a violation of the Geneva convention (see, I can no longer speel gud!)

[Archetype]

I thought red was just being a fag, but it really does suck.

[hatepoppy]

I thought red was just being a fag, but it really does suck.
bah! i give you gold 98% of the time. take one i like and suck it.

[Morfin]

'Titanic' discovery was byproduct of military quest

By Curtis Krueger, Times Staff Writer
In print: Monday, November 24, 2008

Robert Ballard became famous as the explorer who found the wreckage of the Titanic. But what most people don't know about that expedition is that Ballard also secretly worked with the U.S. Navy to learn more about two lost nuclear submarines.

Ballard shared that nugget when he came to the Tampa Bay area last week for the Coastal Cities Summit, organized by the University of South Florida and other institutions. He spoke with the St. Petersburg Times about the Titanic and his underwater exploration career.

When you wanted to search for the Titanic, did you make an arrangement with the military?

I can only tell you now because they declassified this a few months ago. The Navy was not interested in the Titanic. … I mean, they funded the technology because it had so many military applications. And I was a naval intelligence officer for 30 years, and so I did a lot of missions for the Navy. Many remain classified, my best stuff. Rats …

Yes, the Titanic was a cover for a series of military operations. The Titanic was here, and over here was the Scorpion and over here was the Thresher (as he says this, he arranges three objects on a tabletop, roughly in a line, the center one depicting the Titanic).

And had that not occurred, I probably would not have found the Titanic because they wouldn't have funded me. I mean, if the Titanic was in the Indian Ocean, it'd probably still be in the Indian Ocean. But … it was straddled by two very interesting subs that we had lost — and the Scorpion was lost on war patrol … and it was carrying nuclear weapons. So it was a very hot sub to the Navy …

So the Navy said, look, we never actually tracked that all down, we never found the reactors, we never did environmental studies on them, nor did we ever find the weapons. We'll fund you to build all this stuff and we'll fund you to find the Titanic, although we don't expect you to find it because we're going to have you work most of the time on these subs and give you very little time to actually find the Titanic. I said, I'll take whatever I can get.

What was different about exploring the Titanic compared to other shipwrecks?

I've dove on wrecks and they get totally encrusted. The older they are, the more they don't look like wreckage. The Titanic was a museum piece. I mean, when you came down to it, you could look in the window and bounce your lights off the mirrors, and the chandeliers were hanging from the overhead. I mean, you went to a haunted house. And no one had ever seen a haunted house in the deep sea before. We'd seen some on military missions that we couldn't talk about, but they weren't that old. The Titanic was pretty old, three-quarters of a century at the time. I was surprised to see the manufacturer's name on everything … because of the deep sea. The deep sea is pitch black, you can't have photosynthesis, so you don't have all this marine life. It's freezing cold and deep pressure, no currents to abrade it to speak of, just enough to polish the brass.

Of all the explorations you have done, I wonder if there was a moment when you were … scared?

Oh, several times … I've had very close calls, enough that I don't want to play the statistical game. That's why I like robots. I had several (close calls). A fire at 9,000 feet in a 9-foot capsule when my emergency breathing system didn't work. That's scary. Right off of the Cayman Islands, I made a 20,000-foot dive and crashed on the way down into the side of a volcano, ruptured my flotation tanks, and barely made it back to the surface … so I really like telepresence. Trash the robot and go, "I'm so sorry."
Link (http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/article914855.ece)

[hatepoppy]

“We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it.The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.” –James Paul Warburg 1950 to the U.S.
Senate

[hatepoppy]

“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.” –Thomas Jefferson

[Archetype]

I looked into some of this casually, and the Lincoln quote may be a fake, but everything else seems to hold up.

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[vasili denisov]

hatepoppy, what are the ideals of the larger world government you're alleging exists?

Because the quotes you're citing come from men who're very much at odds over what they are opposed. Despite the (possibly out of context) quote advocating world government, Rockefeller's Standard Oil was broken up at the federal level pushed on by a public oppoed to its monopoly; Jefferson had a problem with a large executive because he had an unrealistic vision of a United States of farmers; he was aligned with most slaveowners on this, who posed as adverse to large commercial interests, when they were simply fearful of a federal government that would eventually abolish slavery.

[hatepoppy]

Despite the (possibly out of context) quote advocating world government, Rockefeller's Standard Oil was broken up at the federal level pushed on by a public opposed to its monopoly;
For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as “internationalists” and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.


i'll grant you the fact that context is important, as statements taken out of context are all too often spun and propagandized. I'll admit, im guilty of exactly that at times, im sure. im not sure this is one of those instances. while very few of the quotes i sprinkle in here are complete, well developed thoughts, this one is. to paraphrase - "they talkin shit, son. but it's true!"

it's worth noting that the rockefeller whose Standard Oil was dissolved was this man's grandfather. David Rockefeller was 5 years old when standard oil was busted in 1920. I will concede that this quote establishes a generational context that brings his grandfather's business into relevance.

ask yourself, why was standard oil dissolved? was it bc JD rockefeller had a moral awakening, and decided it was in the general best interest to break up his monopoly? or was it because a handful muckrakers dragged his business into the public eye and screamed until the people woke up?

whatever grand conspiracy i contend exists, i will always recognize the ability of any man to stumble upon some portion of it and raise public awareness. at the same time, it is not common to find any man with the desire, curiosity, and ability necessary to critically consider the news being
shoved down their throats, much less dig deeper and look for the source of that news and the potentially more grandiose motivation behind it. there will always be a ron paul in congress, but what does it matter if he's one of a hundred? on a national scale? maybe one out of 10,000?

point is, we're looking at damage control. public got pissed, let's appease them, for all that interests them is the surface, what sign is on the door. what difference does it make to the consumer if standard oil is one company or exxon mobil + chevron + amoco + marathon + conoco + sunoco (which it is)?

i mean, this is an essentially inelastic product. the powers that be in this country have completely ignored the need for public transportation, outside the largest of cities. i work in Indianapolis, but i couldnt take a bus or train to work if i wanted to. that's deplorable in a nation allegedly so concerned with decreasing oil consumption. hypothetically drive down a street w each of those brands of gas stations, and consider the relative differences in the price. unspoken collusion is just a tick worse than a monopoly imo, as it's the same thing in sheep's clothing.


Jefferson had a problem with a large executive because he had an unrealistic vision of a United States of farmers; he was aligned with most slaveowners on this, who posed as adverse to large commercial interests, when they were simply fearful of a federal government that would eventually abolish slavery.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.


while i understand your point about jefferson being opposed to a overpowerful federal executive, i'm not sure it fits in the context of this discussion. as far as i can recall, the above quote is the only one ive included from jefferson, and it's without regard to the size of the executive branch or slavery (well, historical african slavery at least).

this quote is pretty much in opposition to rockefeller's - of course theyre
very much at odds over what they are opposed

where rockefeller is essentially openly advocating a centralized world government (which is to be established via mechanisms i've discussed like the international banking oligarchy), jefferson is warning against exactly that. in this instance, he's an old-school ron paul.

hopefully, i know you well enough that im correct in the assumption that you have not given up on reading to this point, as most will. allow me to get back on point -
hatepoppy, what are the ideals of the larger world government you're alleging exists?

to suggest i know the ideals of the intended world government would be ridiculous. all i have are ideas, speculation. it's important to consider, however, that these are still people. while they may be powerful, theyre still human. that said, here are some of my ideas.

some people are evil. just batshit, devil's rejects * hitler evil bastards.

the world government conspirators i am considering are not. as all morally grey people like you and i, they are tremendously addicted to justification. 'for the greater good' is the type of phrase i expect to hear.

these are people who think they are doing the right thing. consider the tone in the quote from rockefeller's memoirs - Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as “internationalists” and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.in one sentence, he ridicules critics, mockingly using the same sensational language ('secret cabal') as the conspiracy theorist kooks, while at the same time presenting his view (internationalists looking to build a more integrated global political and economic structure).

these people use the supposition that they can create a more harmonious world if they are in complete control. so they can justify creating the perceived need for a world government (i.e. global famine, bankruptcy, perpetual regional conflict, terrorism, nuclear fallout) by only looking at the salvation to which they can bring us.

keep in mind the natural human lust for power, status, and control over fellow men is the true motivation here. they just use the grand picture of world peace as the end to justify the means.

i guess the end ideal would be the consolidation of government and currency. this has begun already, with the EU and euro. next up is the devaluation of the american dollar (almost complete) and the establishment of a north american union and amero. these types of continental unions are the first step on the slippery slope to governmental globalization.

the means by which this will take place are many, and contrived. in underdeveloped parts of the world, the idea is perpetual warfare and hunger. theyre supplying guns to 8 yr olds to kill each other, but not food to feed their families. these people are easy to control, as they are but ants in the global sandbox. im being sensational here, but its just an illustration.

in developed nations, the idea is the double-edged sword of economic collapse and terrorism. this is a more delicate manipulation than the heavy-fisted manipulation of already impoverished nations. the third world already needs you - you need to convince the 1st world they do, too.

during the current administration, our rights have been trampled on 'for the greater good' of homeland security. be it the patriot acts 1 & 2 or martial law in new orleans, our constitution is being slowly lowered into the shredder. during the last great financial collapse, the US govt decided to get big real quick and put people to work. what happens when the world economy has failed, terrorism is on TV daily, and the world is perceived to be plunging quickly into anarchy?

NWO TO THE RESCUE!!!!






bah. im a ranty, verbose sumbastard. bottom line is, yes ive posted quotes in direct contradiction, as some are in favor of teh conspiraciez, some are warning against it, and some are merely expository.

wanna make out?

[hatepoppy]

I looked into some of this casually, and the Lincoln quote may be a fake, but everything else seems to hold up.

excellent!

and the lincoln quote is...close. here's the quote -
"We may congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing its end.
It has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood. . . .
It has indeed been a trying hour for the Republic; but
I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes
me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war,
corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places
will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong
its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth
is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.
I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety
of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war.
God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless."
-- U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864
(letter to Col. William F. Elkins)
Ref: The Lincoln Encyclopedia, Archer H. Shaw (Macmillan, 1950, NY)
i god damned hate trying to read comic books, but this brings up excellent points. most notably to me is the fact that corporations are granted the rights of citizens anymore. they have the legal right to propagandize in any way they see fit.

but it's my contention that the corporations you are discussing were in the (albeit covert) control of a select few, super-rich europeans. so while the revolution may have had as much to do with the corporations as the crown, i purport that it was truly against those funding both (i.e. amschel rothschild). see below.



“the refusal of King George III to allow the colonies to operate an honest money system, which freed the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators was probably the prime cause of the revolution” –Benjamin Franklin

“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.” –Thomas Jefferson

“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” –Thomas Jefferson

“That is simple. In the Colonies we issue our own money. It is called Colonial Scrip. We issue it in proper proportion to the demands of trade and industry to make the products pass easily from the producers of the consumers. In this manner, creating for ourselves our own paper money, we control its purchasing power, and we have no interest to pay to no one.” –Benjamin Franklin

“In one year, the conditions were so reversed that the era of prosperity ended, and a depression set in, to such an extent that the streets of the Colonies were filled with unemployment” –Benjamin Franklin after the passing of The Currency Act of 1764 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_act)

“The Colonists would gladly have borne the little tax on tea and other matters had it not been that England took away from the colonies their money which created unemployment and dissatisfaction. The inability of the colonists to get power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of George III and the international bankers was the PRIME reason for the Revolutionary War." –Benjamin Franklin from his autobiography




“Give me the right to issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who governs the country.” –Mayer Amschel Rothschild

“The few who can understand the system will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favors, that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of the people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantages that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests.” –Mayer Amschel Rothschild

“Either the application for renewal of the charter is granted, or the United States will find itself involved in a most disastrous war.” –Nathan Mayer Rothschild in response to A. Jackson denying a new 20 year charter for the Bank of America (1791-1811) inciting the War of 1812

[vasili denisov]

hatepoppy, I'll just say right out I'm not a believer in large conspiracies. I think the way of the world is various players with their own individual interests occasionally operating in collusion when those interests converge, those collusions may be illegal and secret, though they're not part of some larger order - just in the limited interests of the individual players. The actions are relatively small because the resources of the players are limited; as opposed to the vast resources required for larger domination

I suppose the best way of marking the distinction would be between the conspiracy in Umberto Eco's Foucault's Penduluum and the small conspiracies in modern Italy. In Penduluum, you have a group of writers who come up with a vast conspiracy that becomes larger and larger, eventually becoming the reason behind every historical event in Europe; though the writers conceive of it as fantasy there's soon the possibility that the conspiracy actually exist.

On the other hand, there have been small complicities in Italy - CIA or the state department funneled money to help keep the christian democrats because they were fearful of the communists coming to power; the christian democrats in turn abided the mafia and often sabotaged any investigations because they relied on their support and funding as well; the former prime minister may have hired mafia to kill a journalist who investigated his financial dealings. It's very byzantine; but there's no larger supra-plan, just various agents acting in their own interest.

I ask what the principles are of such a world government because I question what practical gains any business or financier has in setting such a thing up; a strong federal state doesn't necessarily produce the best environment for business. It's probably of greater benefit to a businessman to have a bunch of american states competing with lower taxes and limited environment regulations, rather than a strong federal state which could mandate a floor on such taxes and regulations. A larger state means greater bureaucracy with the possibility of more corruption and more pay-offs, again bad for business.

I came into this thread because I find the fascination with conspiracies more interesting than the conspiracies themselves. A large part of a lot of them involves money or financial markets, areas that are extraordinarily obscure to many people. Anything involving numbers or codes has the aspect of the magical; a financial maven is often called a "wizard"; investor Warren Buffett is referred to as the "oracle" of Omaha; and depictions of a conspiratorial guild often resemble a magicians' guild; they wear matching ornate costumes and engage in rituals. They have the vast powers of magicians, able to pass through any country, gain entrance to any company, cause airplanes to crash a continent away.

They're a mixture of paganism (the magical) but also of the modern concept of order and knowledge through technology; yet there's also an optimism to the vision because this group are the barrier to a better, more idyllic world that itself is a mixture of the pagan (Rousseau's natural state unordered by any large institution, religious or secular) and the ordered (again, as in Rousseau, the malign aspects of this landscape, the disease, the chaos, the starvation are from without - the landscape is somewhat pristine and romanticized).

[hatepoppy]

the distinction between actual, cohesive global conspiracies as reality, fantasy, or somewhere in between is one that must be made by someone thinking critically about the world around them. most people stop at 'ur a nutcase' or 'theyre gonna area 51 our chemtrail water supply with george bush!'

i appreciate your comparison of penduluum (a work with which i am not familiar) and modern italy. i actually believe in a middle ground. not that there's some grand puppetmaster pulling all the strings, micromanaging the descent into the chaos from which they will provide salvation, but that there are a handful of tremendously rich, historically powerful people working not in furtherance of their own wealth, but their own power. they think they know what's best for everyone, as long as theyre in charge.

i think of it like more of a blind assembly line than a puppetshow. factory workers dont know how to do anything but screw. foremen dont know anything but how and when to screw the workers. management only knows when to tell the foremen to screw the workers. ownership decides when to tell the management to tell the foremen to screw the workers.

sure, the rothschilds (im using that name as a blanket for all international banking interests) may not have directly contacted the mafia to hit the journalist exposing one of their politicians. but they could surely trust the politician himself to do exactly that. its about subtle manipulation.

but the fact is, im just a speculator. i wont be leading any rallies in the streets or boycotting petroleum companies and jpmorgan chase. mine are but the frustrated ramblings of someone thats been far too jaded to accept anything as truth. it's all a lie, so see how many sides you can take in and see if any real truth shakes out.

that's kindof why there's a marked difference between my posts regarding banking and politics and my posts regarding ufos and the like. some are fun to play w and joke about (i.e. reptilian overlord agendas, deep underground military prison labor camps), and some make me ask questions.

im an engineer, so i formally studied essentially no history beyond high school, but before that i had taken 'advanced placement' (read: not completely watered down) history classes. specific attention was paid to the colonial and revolutionary periods. why were we taught that the whole reason for the revolution was 'no taxation without representation'? why did i have to (luckily) stumble across a broader perspective on my own? why do kids (srsly, not all of em are retarded) have NO IDEA what fractional reserve banking is? how many people have heard about the martial law (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4IbxUMWu8Q) in new orleans?

i actually started looking into this type of thing as a lark. im bored, lets youtube aliens!

it went something like aliens -> kennedy -> cia -> federal reserve -> and im fuckin hooked. wacky or cereal, ive gotten addicted to seeing more than the commonly accepted, prefabricated, pasteurized, homogenized truth peter jennings tells us about. im just as quick to call bullshit watching UFO Hunters (it's a tv show fyi - those guys fuckin piss me off) as i am watching nightline.

but i refuse to accept the world as the media and (at least american) education system present it. its a shame, but ppl like the CFR have made sure that there is no trustworthy source of news. so! i'm left to listen to barack obama go on about 'change' like he really matters and look for videos on youtube of his speeches, as performed in 2005 by that santos cat on the west wing.

[Yelram]

not exactly a conspiracy flick, but def a must for someone looking to actually think about what's going on around them.

The Story of Stuff (http://www.storyofstuff.com/)



This women wants us living in a fucking feudal system. I dont even know what she's trying to say, like we had the ability to produce plastic without toxic chemicals, and we just decided to use the toxic ones? Did she think the third world countries were all content with starving to death for a few more generations instead of working at a factory for 10 times as much? Her narrative is just laughable. Factories in third world countries are one of the ONLY sources of wealth the people have. You cant profit off of your natural resources without manufacturing. She's got so many fucking cracks in her logic, that I dont know where to start. alot of the things we scrap, especially those with metal components, are recycled, not only are they recycled, but they benefit monetarily every person along the line, from the person disposing, to the company that is now able to buy scrap instead of mining ore, and making metal. I completely agree plastics have gotten out of hand, but theres an easy way to fix this. Every plastic product should have a tax put on it, directly proportional to its weight. Upon return of this product, the tax is refunded. It will take care of itself. And if she really believes the radio costs more than 4.99 to produce, its because she's a spoiled rotten capitalist, trying to tell everyone why capitalism doesnt work. She thinks the wages they are paying in their 3rd world factories are unfair, in comparison to the wages paid where she lives. She also must believe that people were happier struggling every day just to feed themselves, instead of working 8 hours a day at that unfair wage. I suppose these companies come in and slash and burn all their crops?The main problem is plastics, thats it, beyond that, theres really not much that cant be reused, or disposed of properly.

[hatepoppy]

This women wants us living in a fucking feudal system. I dont even know what she's trying to say, like we had the ability to produce plastic without toxic chemicals, and we just decided to use the toxic ones? Did she think the third world countries were all content with starving to death for a few more generations instead of working at a factory for 10 times as much? Her narrative is just laughable. Factories in third world countries are one of the ONLY sources of wealth the people have. You cant profit off of your natural resources without manufacturing. She's got so many fucking cracks in her logic, that I dont know where to start. alot of the things we scrap, especially those with metal components, are recycled, not only are they recycled, but they benefit monetarily every person along the line, from the person disposing, to the company that is now able to buy scrap instead of mining ore, and making metal. I completely agree plastics have gotten out of hand, but theres an easy way to fix this. Every plastic product should have a tax put on it, directly proportional to its weight. Upon return of this product, the tax is refunded. It will take care of itself. And if she really believes the radio costs more than 4.99 to produce, its because she's a spoiled rotten capitalist, trying to tell everyone why capitalism doesnt work. She thinks the wages they are paying in their 3rd world factories are unfair, in comparison to the wages paid where she lives. She also must believe that people were happier struggling every day just to feed themselves, instead of working 8 hours a day at that unfair wage. I suppose these companies come in and slash and burn all their crops?The main problem is plastics, thats it, beyond that, theres really not much that cant be reused, or disposed of properly.
yeah i watched it again, and i had to have been stoned.

i think i saw her point out that corporations >> nations and said 'lets do this!1!1'

[Yelram]

yeah i watched it again, and i had to have been stoned.

i think i saw her point out that corporations >> nations and said 'lets do this!1!1'

I would much rather have the corporations hold the wealth, than the governments of the world. The governments have never made an honest cent without robbing their citizenry. People voluntarily give money to corporations all the time, and the people get a goods and service in exchange. And if the corporation pisses them off, they can go spend their money elsewhere.

[hatepoppy]

I would much rather have the corporations hold the wealth, than the governments of the world. The governments have never made an honest cent without robbing their citizenry.
in this country at least, since the civil war the corporations have controlled the government.

the fact that there are more corporations than nations in the top 100 world economies is not an illustration of the distribution of wealth, but the distribution of power.

of course the government is robbing its citizenry! how else would it make its payments to the fed? thank you, rubberdick woodrow wilson!

[Yelram]

in this country at least, since the civil war the corporations have controlled the government.

the fact that there are more corporations than nations in the top 100 world economies is not an illustration of the distribution of wealth, but the distribution of power.

of course the government is robbing its citizenry! how else would it make its payments to the fed? thank you, rubberdick woodrow wilson!

Owning a corporation requires much more responsibility than it wields power.

[hatepoppy]

Owning a corporation requires much more responsibility than it wields power.owning a politician yields much more power than being a politician.

[Morfin]

One of my sources died in a plane crash last night...

UPDATED BELOW (1, 2, and 3)

I don't usually reveal sources, but I think this is incredibly important. Michael Connell died in a plane crash last nigh (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6765)t. He was a key witness in the Ohio election fraud case that I have been reporting on (http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Republican_IT_consultant_subpoenaed_in_case_0929.h tml). More importantly, however, he had information that he was ready to share.
You see, Mike Connell set-up the alternate email and communications system for the White House. He was responsible for creating the system that hosted the infamous GWB43.com accounts that Karl Rove and others used. When asked by Congress to provide these emails, the White House said that they were destroyed. But in reality, what Connell is alleged to have done is move these files to other servers after having allegedly scrubbed the files from all "known" Karl Rove accounts.
In addition, I have reason to believe that the alternate accounts were used to communicate with US Attorneys involved in political prosecutions, like that of Don Siegelman. This is what I have been working on to prove for over a year. In fact, it was through following the Siegelman-Rove trail that I found evidence leading to Connell. That is how I became aware of him. Mike was getting ready to talk. He was frightened.
He has flown his private plane for years without incident. I know he was going to DC last night, but I don't know why. He apparently ran out of gas, something I find hard to believe. (See Update 3 below). I am not saying that this was a hit nor am I resigned to this being simply an accident either. I am no expert on aviation and cannot provide an opinion on the matter. What I am saying, however, is that given the context, this event needs to be examined carefully. If you want to understand the context more broadly, I suggest you read this article I did a while back about the break-ins and arson cases that Siegelman and others have experienced (http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Breakins_plague_Justice_Department_whistleblowers_ 0430.html).
Just to be very clear and state again, I am not claiming conspiracy theory or direct relation to Karl Rove or the White House in any of these events. What I am saying, however, is that these possible relationships cannot and should not be overlooked by investigators. There are far too many serious and reasonable questions that must be answered for the public.
Link (http://www.atlargely.com/2008/12/one-of-my-sources-died-in-a-plane-crash-last-night/comments/page/2/#comments)

[Mustard]

We see and read stuff like this all the time in movies and books, so why would it be unimaginable in reality?

[Morfin]

Okay, Arch, it's "imaginable."

[Mustard]

I love in the last paragraph how the author claims that this isn't a conspiracy theory, and yet the story they write is basically asking you to ask yourself, "is this a conspiracy?" Why can't anyone just say what they're thinking anymore and not be pussified PC bitches?

[Morfin]

I wanna know who these Presidents hire. Clinton (and the Mrs.) supposedly had Vince Foster murdered. Now Bush and Co. had this guy murdered.

Is there some group that just the Presidents hire? Do ya spose Bush called Clinton up, "Hey, Bill. I got someone who might talk. Yeah, a canary. Who'd you guys use with Foster? Great, thanks. See ya."

[Mustard]

I wanna know who these Presidents hire. Clinton (and the Mrs.) supposedly had Vince Foster murdered. Now Bush and Co. had this guy murdered.

Is there some group that just the Presidents hire? Do ya spose Bush called Clinton up, "Hey, Bill. I got someone who might talk. Yeah, a canary. Who'd you guys use with Foster? Great, thanks. See ya."
I hear that Mafia types are pretty good at killing people...

[hatepoppy]

http://i40.tinypic.com/210k1e9.gif

[Archetype]

Flying saucer?

[Pax Britannia]

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s318/docwolfman/NS/0088headerufo3.jpg

[Trident]

White people are trying to kill all black people. Shhhh, don't tell them.

[Morfin]

With AIDS. (taters told me)

[Daydreamer]

and crack, don't forget crack.

[hatepoppy]

so...tweety bird. how did tweety come by such an appellation as tweety? lets take a look for a second at the phonetics of the word. the obvious, and kid friendly answer is that it is simply a bird with a speech impediment callin herself sweety.

i dont know about you, but even knowing as many fucking retards as i have in my time on this pale blue third mall from the sun, i dont think there's ever been anyone who can say replaces their s'z w t'z.

i think a far more believable explanation can be demonstrated phonetically. tweety bird is really 'to eat'y bird. as in, the bird to eat. toeaty bird!

and who's doin the eating? "SLY" sylvester. fuckin cat thinks he's sly. tryin toeat tweety.

but you see, hese are just metaphors. WE are toeaty bird. THEY are sly. and they EAT US for being (the overt explanation) RETARDED & SWEET.

and what happens when we do catch one of THEM in the act?

'i tawt i taw a putty tat!

deerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr'

*sly ignores retarded toeaty*

'i did! i did taw a putty tat!'

*CHOMP!*

or, shes called tweety bc she tweets. though she is never seen on camera doing so.

its whatever tho.

[Deadhead Derek]

I am a mason.

[Face]

is that a good thing?

[Gary_Busey]

I knew a dude that was a Freemason. He always had horrible b.o.

[Da Raider]

I am a mason.

no wonder you have the Illuminati on speed dial on your cellphone!

[Da Raider]

this post is in honor Yelram. Hope he smoked a big fat spliff and calmed the fuck down.

[Will-Kill]

Here are some of the crazy batshit insane conspiracies I have heard.

Aliens invented God so humans have something to believe in.

Aliens have a base on the darkside of the moon, supposedly the video of the first moon landing was cut short because a alien came out and told the Astronauts they are not suppose to be there.

Aliens live under Nevada, Arizona and New Mexico in underground tunnels.

The biggest Conspiracy of all....Scientology.

All those give me a good laugh.

[Deadhead Derek]

is that a good thing?
Yes, yes it is.

[hatepoppy]

what. teh fuck. is this.

http://i42.tinypic.com/2ytsfth.jpg

[hatepoppy]

or THIS!

http://i39.tinypic.com/fbayap.jpg

[Pox]

A litterbox? The Astro-Crag?

[hatepoppy]

both are images of mars, as photographed by the rover. both images, i, minutes ago, downloaded from nasa.gov.

the first shows some strange lil furrybush/block something that looks strange in the top right.

the second CLEARLY shows a human skull shapedrockin the lower left.

OR IS IT!>!>!>?

[vasili denisov]

what. teh fuck. is this.

http://i42.tinypic.com/2ytsfth.jpg
Appears to be a bleak and desolate landscape. Your bedroom, or possibly, a metaphor for your sexual life.

Edit: Or Mars. Mars with a human skull that the Trilateral Commission left behind after our last meeting. People ask, what does the Trilateral Commission do, exactly? And I say, We meet informally and have a broad ranging discussion covering various historical and current events issues, then we leave a bunch of suspicion arousing skulls all over the place. Then I kill the person who asked. Because the Tri C has rep to keep.

[hatepoppy]

Appears to be a bleak and desolate landscape. Your bedroom, or possibly, a metaphor for your sexual life.
youre so vasilly. the jobs on my knob are bountiful and robust.

[hatepoppy]

my bedroom's a mess tho.

[Pox]

It looks like the Mars rover was investigating a bleu cheese salad

[Trident]

both are images of mars, as photographed by the rover. both images, i, minutes ago, downloaded from nasa.gov.

the first shows some strange lil furrybush/block something that looks strange in the top right.

the second CLEARLY shows a human skull shapedrockin the lower left.

OR IS IT!>!>!>?

OMFG!!!

LOOK!!!

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x278/fforfreddie/2ytsfthcopy.jpg

[hatepoppy]

nah man i get it. i thought they were shopped at first to, until i went and got em from nasa.

[vasili denisov]

youre so vasilly. the jobs on my knob are bountiful and robust.
My attempt at humour was good-natured, not meant to hurt, and only intended to prevent you from learning the truth about the "Human skulls left around on Mars" project. It's drudgework, is what it is. You might, if you were a retard, call it skulldrudgery. Not that I ever call it that. No sir.

[hatepoppy]

its c3p0!

[wonderllama]

They both appear to be rocks.
Human nature includes the desire to look for something familiar in any picture or object.

Like the face on Mars from the 1970s, turned out to be a.....rock.

[hatepoppy]

just so its clear - my tongue is firmly pressed against the inside of my cheek.

[wonderllama]

That part is clear, the part that isn't is that some people DO believe that shit...it's disturbing sometimes.

[Okie Medicvet]

The VA is using me as a guinea pig. Of course, that is par for the course with the VA, they have a VERY LONG HISTORY of using veterans as guinea pigs. I think I am part of a very long experiment aimed at seeing how much veterans can take from the bullshit their govt hands out to them with the hassles the VA gives in getting treatment by going postal. Pretty sure I have been part of other experiments too, like this one:

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I took myself off that med, and pissed off one of the shrinks when I did so. I think it was because he knew how close I was to just totally losing it, and if that had happened, I would have gone off and been put in jail and lost my VA benefits and had to start all over when I got out and I wouldn't do that I would just give up and live under a bridge somewhere so they will have won by not having to pay me anymore money. I think they want me to kill myself so they don't have to get anymore money, but I am supporting my kids, so no matter how depressed I get, no matter how much they drag me down, I am not going to let them win.

These days, fuck the VA, I get all my medical treatment from the Indian Hospital. Yes, I know it's still govt, but it's just incompetent at worst, not deliberately harmful. Except when I gotta go for the exams every year or so to check out my 'status', which remains as fucked up as it ever was.

You want to look at conspiracies, look at the soldiers used after WWII that were used as human guinea pigs to test radiation symptoms when Abombs were being tested, as well as sailors that were close to the Bikini atoll explosions. Not only that, but look at the Tuskegee experiments! And let's not even get started with all the damage done by Agent Orange, which finally exists, and Gulf War Syndrome, which still largely doesn't.

And that is just the shit that is public..who knows what kinds of experiments are going on these days, whether biological or sociological or psychological! And there is a TON of shit like this still going on to this day, even if you don't believe it is happening to me, you have to believe that it is still going on!!!!!!!!!

[Okie Medicvet]

This is cual footage of soldiers being treated as guinea pigs. They didn't say, "wait, this could kill me, I'm not doing this shit", they just trusted that their govt was right no matter what, and ran into what would evntually be their cause of death. And then those veterans found out later on that that was exactly what the army did, and yet they still couldn't get help for what is obviously the cause of it all, or at least not at a VA facility or a VA clinic, they ad to have their own insurance cover it until the money ran out and then you are still sick and just as screwe I have been going though the cogs for so fucking long

The VA is a total clusterfuck and is tore up from the floor up, and it needs a total motherfuckin overhaul from the top down.

I have the utmost of respect for the 'greatest generation', and think they deserve better than what they are getting at the VA. Hell, Unfortunately we have such a long history as a nation for treating our veterans as poorly as we do, particularly in the case of the bonus army marchers:

http://www.worldwar1.com/dbc/bonusm.htm

[Okie Medicvet]

Experiments:

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[wonderllama]

That shit happened here as well, English testing their bombs far away from home and cooking our Aborigines....

[Da Raider]

Is Elvis still alive? Discuss.

[Rover]

Real Elvis or Zombie Elvis?

[Da Raider]

Real Elvis or Zombie Elvis?

yes.

[Rover]

Well, Zombie Elvis definitely isn't alive, but he's not dead either. Real Elvis is dead because he OD'd on pussy and living life.

[hatepoppy]

motherfuckers, get real. elvis is dead. duhhhhh.

you need to be thinkin abou t the reptilians coercing the nephilim to stage a false flag alien invasion as a device to draw humanity to clamor for worldwide fascism, which is really an elaborate means to initiate the final solution of ultimate human depopulation.

[Okie Medicvet]

What is the deal with reptiles? Why should an alien life form be reptilian. Hell, why does it even have to be carbon based for that matter?

And Elvis isn't a zombie, he's a vampire at least according to the books by Charlaine Harris. A kinda dumb vampire because he did od on drugs after all before a vampire brought him back, so he will eat the ocassional cat or dog, but then again, he always did have weird tastes..

I like watching the shows about how they are building prisons for when FEMA takes over. All I can think is, if they are empty, who is to say they are being built for US citizens? If we ever have another war, we will have ready made pow camps, and if things get really crazy between the US and Mexico and the Mexican govt fails and the economy really tanks, they can be used to store illegal immigrants instead of continually just shipping them back to go through the turnstile one more time. Then we will have a built in underclass of people ready made for slave labor! Yay!

Anyway, that's another one of my conspiracy theories..not really a theory as much as a prediction tho.

[Okie Medicvet]

Just searching around and found a lot more footage of soldiers and sailors close to nuclear radiation from atomic testing, and it was jarring to listen to the propaganda being spewed out with the footage:

Z29H_AX-jTs

[Morfin]

motherfuckers, get real. elvis is dead. duhhhhh.

you need to be thinkin abou t the reptilians coercing the nephilim to stage a false flag alien invasion as a device to draw humanity to clamor for worldwide fascism, which is really an elaborate means to initiate the final solution of ultimate human depopulation.

It's happening. poppy's right. This was just in yesterday's news:

Komodo dragons kill Indonesian fisherman

An Indonesian fisherman has been killed by Komodo dragons after he was attacked while trespassing on a remote island in search of fruit, officials said Tuesday.

Komodo dragons kill their prey with an extremely toxic bite.

Muhamad Anwar, 32, bled to death on his way to hospital after being mauled by the reptiles at Loh Sriaya, in eastern Indonesia's Komodo National Park, the park's general manager Fransiskus Harum told CNN.

"The fisherman was inside the park when he went looking for sugar-apples. The area was forbidden for people to enter as there are a lot of wild dragons," Harum said.

Other fisherman took Anwar to a clinic on nearby Flores Island, east of Bali, but he was declared dead on arrival, he added.

Komodo dragons, the world's heaviest lizards, can grow up to 3 meters (10 feet) in length and have a toxic bite that they use to kill prey such as buffalo, returning to feast when the animal succumbs to the poison.

Despite their ungainly appearance, the carnivorous reptiles can run as fast as a dog in short bursts, jump up on their hind legs, and kill animals with a blow of their powerful tails.

Attacks on humans are rare, but Monday's incident is the latest in a series in which the monster lizards -- which have forked tongues and fearsome claws --have killed or injured people.

Last month a park ranger survived after a Komodo dragon climbed the ladder into his hut and savaged his hand and foot. In 2007 an eight-year-old boy died after being mauled. Link
(http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/03/24/komodo.dragon/)
That "toxic bite" is an alien poison shot out of a death ray in the reptilian's mouth. Fuckin' scary man.

[Okie Medicvet]

And every now and then you hear about VA snafu's like this one:

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Yeah, they can hand out methadone, but let's keep that reefer madness thing going!:mad:

[Datači]

Found at google street view

http://jutarnji.hr/ephresources/images/2009/03/30/ufo1.wide.jpg

[Cow Puncher]

They look like Sentinel Spheres from Phatasm.

Only logical conclusion: Angus Scrimm is pissed and we're all going to pay.

[Pox]

Earth Day may fall later this week, but as far as former NASA astronaut Edgar Mitchell and other UFO enthusiasts are concerned, the real story is happening elsewhere.

Mitchell, who was part of the 1971 Apollo 14 moon mission, asserted Monday that extraterrestrial life exists, and that the truth is being concealed by the United States and other governments.
http://news.aol.com/article/astronaut-says-aliens-have-visited-earth/437766?icid=main|main|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fnews. aol.com%2Farticle%2Fastronaut-says-aliens-have-visited-earth%2F437766 (http://news.aol.com/article/astronaut-says-aliens-have-visited-earth/437766?icid=main%7Cmain%7Cdl1%7Clink3%7Chttp%3A%2F %2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fastronaut-says-aliens-have-visited-earth%2F437766)